Tag: Billy Wagner

Drop off location

Earlier this week I wrote that after leading the NL in runs allowed per nine innings by relievers in 2008, the Phils dropped to ninth in that category in 2009. Despite the big drop in 2009, opponents posted very similar batting lines against the Phillies relief pitchers in 2009 and 2008:













Again, the ’08 pen was a lot better than the ’09 pen, but those numbers look very similar.

Curiously, you were more likely to get a hit or a walk against the ’08 guys than you were the ’09 guys.

In 2009, the Phillies pen faced 2,143 batters and allowed 457 hits (21.3% of batters) and 223 walks (10.4%). So about 31.7% of hitters got a hit or a walk. In 2008 the pen faced 2,071 hitters and allowed 456 hits (22.0%) and 211 walks (10.2%). About 32.2% of hitters got a hit or a walk against the ’08 pen.

That’s a little perplexing because opponents posted a better on-base percentage in 2009 than they did in 2008. A big part of the explanation is that Phillies relievers hit a lot more batters in 2009 than they did in 2008 — they plunked 32 in ’09 after hitting just 16 in ’08.

You were also more likely to get an extra-base hit against the ’08 pen than you were against the ’09 pen.

The ’09 pen allowed 134 extra-base hits to 2,143 hitters (6.25%) and the ’08 pen allowed 136 extra-base hits to 2,071 hitters (6.57%).

It sure seems like you should get better if you improve the rate at which you allow hits or walks while you improve the rate at which you allow extra-bases. But the Phillies bullpen got worse.

A big part of this was how bad the extra-base hits that the Phillies gave up were in 2009. Despite the fact that they allowed fewer extra-base hits overall in 2009, the extra-base hits they allowed in 2009 did more damage.

In 2008, the Phillies pen allowed 136 extra-base hits — 92 doubles, seven triples and 37 home runs. That’s 353 total bases or 2.6 bases per extra-base hit.

In 2009 they allowed 134 extra-base hits — just 79 doubles, nine triples and 46 home runs. That’s a total of 369 total bases or 2.75 bases per extra-base hit. So a better rate of preventing extra-base hits in 2009, but the extra-base hits they allowed were worse.

The most important difference between the bullpen of 2008 and the bullpen of ’09 was that the ’08 pen was outstanding at preventing home runs compared to the rest of the league while the ’09 pen was not. The ’08 pen allowed 37 home runs, which was the fewest in the NL. In ’09, only six NL teams allowed more home runs than the 46 that the Phils’ relievers gave up.

In ’08, the Phillies had seven relief pitchers who threw 20 or more innings for the team. Of those seven, Tom Gordon allowed the most home runs per nine innings. He allowed three in 29 2/3 innings or about 0.91 per nine innings.

In 2009 there were nine Phillies pitchers who threw 20 or more innings in relief. Of those nine, four, Walker, Durbin, Taschner and Lidge, all allowed more than 0.91 home runs per nine innings while pitching in relief. Eyre was almost a fifth — he allowed 0.90 homers per nine innings.

The home run problem would have been a whole lot worse for the relievers were it not for Chan Ho Park. Park pitched 50 innings in relief for the Phillies in 2009 without allowing a home run. In 33 1/3 innings as a starter he gave up five. The Braves’ Peter Moylan was the only reliever in either league besides Park to throw 35 or more innings in relief in ’09 without allowing a home run.

The charts below show the four Phillies pitchers that threw at least 20 innings in relief in each of the last two seasons and had the worst rates of allowing runs per nine innings pitched as a reliever on the team. For each of the pitchers it shows the number of innings the player threw in relief that year, the runs they allowed per nine innings and the home runs they allowed per nine innings:

Player IP Runs/9 HR/9
Durbin 87 2/3 3.4 0.51
Condrey 69 3.4 0.78
Seanez 43 1/3 5.0 0.42
Gordon 29 2/3 5.8 0.91

Player IP Runs/9 HR/9
Condrey 42 3.6 0.86
Durbin 69 2/3 4.9 1.03
Taschner 29 1/3 5.5 0.92
Lidge 58 2/3 7.8 1.69

The biggest thing about that list is that the guys at the top who were the worst among the 2008 pen in terms of runs allowed per nine innings were pretty good. Durbin was great in ’08, throwing to 2.87 ERA with a 1.32 ratio and allowing just five home runs in nearly 90 innings. Condrey wasn’t quite as good, but threw to a 3.26 ERA with a 1.51 ratio. He also was pretty good at keeping the ball in the yard, allowing 0.78 homers per nine in a season when the average NL reliever allowed about 0.96.

In 2008, the Phillies had just two relievers who threw more than 20 innings for the season and allowed more than 3.4 runs per nine innings for the season. Those two, Seanez and Gordon, combined to throw 73 innings. In 2009 the Phils had four relievers who threw more than 20 innings and allowed more than 3.4 runs per inning and those four combined to throw 199 2/3 innings.

This says that the Phillies talks with Polanco are getting serious. I think it would be pretty bad news if the Phillies signed Polanco to be their third baseman.

This suggests the Phillies could have interest in John Smoltz. Please no.

The Phillies did not offer arbitration to Park or Eyre. I think both of those guys still have a chance to be back next year.

Billy Wagner is a Brave.

The Phillies signed Brian Schneider to be Ruiz’s backup.

Some problems run so deep they can’t even be solved by replacing the guy with the 0.89 ratio

Billy Wagner did blow seven saves last season and the Mets lost the division by less than seven games. So while it may be tempting to conclude that Wagner, with his 2.30 ERA and 0.89 ratio, his 10.4 strikeouts per nine innings and his 1.9 walks per nine innings, is to blame for the difference between the Mets pen and the Phillies pen, I really have trouble believing that was the case. Past performance is no guarantee of future results, but in 2008 the Phillies pen was far better than the Mets pen. And not just in the closer slot — the difference between the Phils’ pen and the Mets’ pen wasn’t the difference between Billy Wagner and Brad Lidge or Aaron Heilman and Luis Ayala and Brad Lidge or anyone and Brad Lidge. The difference went much deeper than that and was bigger than any one player on either team.

Here’s what the Phillies bullpen did last season, with and without Lidge:

  IP H
PHI pen 483 456 211 173 3.22 1.38
Lidge 69.3 50 35 15 1.95 1.23
Pen w/o Lidge 413.6 406 176 158 3.44 1.41

And here’s what the Mets’ pen did, with and without Wagner:

  IP H
NYM pen 493.3 487 202 234 4.27 1.40
Wagner 47 32 10 12 2.30 0.89
Pen w/o
446.3 455 192 222 4.48 1.45

If you take Lidge and Wagner out of the equation, the Phils pen put up an ERA that was a full run better than the ERA put up by the Mets.

With or without Wagner, you have to take a lot of key players out of the Phillies pen from 2008 before you get to an ERA near what the Mets threw to as a group.

Here it is without Lidge and Madson:

  IP H
PHI pen 483 456 211 173 3.22 1.38
Lidge 69.3 50 35 15 1.95 1.23
Madson 82.7 79 23 28 3.05 1.23
Without Lidge
and Madson
331 327 153 130 3.53 1.45

And without Lidge, Madson and Romero:

  IP H
PHI pen 483 456 211 173 3.22 1.38
Lidge 69.3 50 35 15 1.95 1.23
Madson 82.7 79 23 28 3.05 1.23
Romero 59 41 38 18 2.75 1.34
Lidge, Madson and Romero
272 286 115 112 3.71 1.47

And without Lidge, Madson, Romero and Durbin:

  IP H
PHI pen 483 456 211 173 3.22 1.38
Lidge 69.3 50 35 15 1.95 1.23
Madson 82.7 79 23 28 3.05 1.23
Romero 59 41 38 18 2.75 1.34
Durbin 87.7 81 35 28 2.87 1.32
Lidge, Madson, Romero and Durbin
184.3 205 80 84 4.10 1.55

So if you take out the top four guys in the Phillies pen, Lidge, Madson, Romero and Durbin, the other ten players who pitched in relief for the Phils in 2008 (Eaton, Kendrick, Condrey, Seanez, Happ, Gordon, Eyre, Walrond, Swindle and Carpenter) threw to a 4.10 ERA, better than the 4.27 posted on the season by the Mets bullpen as a group. That group of Phils does have a worse ratio than the Mets pen, 1.55 compared to a 1.40 for the New York pen.

None of that is to suggest that the bullpen wasn’t the difference between the two teams last season. I think it was. It just wasn’t one player. And if you look at the Mets pen from ’08, take out Heilman and Ayala’s numbers and replace them with the American League numbers Francisco Rodriguez and JJ Putz put up in 2008, things look a lot tighter:

  IP H
NYM pen 493.3 487 202 234 4.27 1.40
Heilman 76 75 46 44 5.21 1.59
Ayala 18 23 2 11 5.50 1.39
NYM pen
without Heilman and Ayala
399.3 389 154 179 4.03 1.36
Rodriguez 68.3 54 34 17 2.24 1.29
Putz 46.3 46 28 20 3.88 1.60
514 489 216 216 3.78 1.37

The Phils ’08 pen still has put up a better ERA and ratio than the mythical creation of the Mets pen. But even without adjusting Rodriguez and Putz’s American League numbers the difference in both cases is pretty small.

Even so, heading into 2009 the Phillies pen is a little better. The thing that’s worrisome from a Phillies perspective is that last year it needed to be a lot better to win the division — the teams scored the same number of runs and the Mets starting pitching was better. There’s a good chance that the Mets starting pitching is going to be better again this year, so I think we better be hoping that the Phils can put some more runs on the board offensively to make up for what will surely be a tightening of the bullpens.

Will Ohman’s agent says they have had positive conversation with the Phils and the lefty would love to pitch in Philadelphia.

Article about Mike Zagurski’s health that also says Eaton will get chances to pitch in spring training.

Charlie Manuel calls Jason Donald “a Biggio kind of guy” in this article.

Phils desperate to find Myers a travel guide to New York that includes the strike zone

It was reasonable to expect that the return of Brett Myers was going to be a wild ride for the Phils and it was. Just not the wild ride the Phils were looking for. Myers walked four Mets in a miserable first inning. He pitched okay after that, but the Phils’ hitters didn’t do much. The Phils and Mets went into the bottom of the sixth tied at 3-3 before Jose Reyes broke the game open with a three-run homer off of Ryan Madson.

It wasn’t a good start for Myers, but the Phillies’ sleepy offense continues to be a big part of the story in July. In the last eight games that the Phillies’ starting pitcher has allowed three runs the Phils are 1-7. In 2007 the Phils went 21-11 in games where their starters allowed three runs in a start. 28-15 in 2006. After last night’s game they are 10-11 in 2008 and that’s with a hugely improved bullpen.

The Phillies lost to the New York Mets last night, falling 6-3 to drop to 54-47 on the season. Game three of the set is this afternoon after the teams split the first two of the series.

Myers got the start for the Phillies and went five innings, allowing three runs on three hits and five walks. All three of the hits went for singles and he struck out two. His ERA is 5.82 and the Phils are now 4-14 in games he’s started this season. Using game score as the measure, in 15 of his 18 starts on the season the other team’s starting pitcher pitched better than Myers did.

Jose Reyes grounded to second for the first out in the first. Myers then walked four batters in a row. The fourth walk was to Carlos Beltran and forced in Endy Chavez to put the Mets up 1-0. Marlon Anderson was next and hit a double-play ball to first that Howard didn’t handle. It fortunately went off his glove and right to Utley. Utley threw to Myers covering first to get the second out. David Wright scored from third to put New York up 2-0. Damion Easley grounded to third for the third out, leaving two men stranded.

Myers threw a 1-2-3 second with the score tied at 2-2.

With one out in the third the Mets again loaded the bases when Wright singled, Carlos Delgado was hit by a pitch and Beltran singled into center. Myers struck Anderson out for the second out, Damion Easley was next hit a ball in the hole between third and short that went off the glove of Rollins for a single. Rollins may not have had a play anywhere even if he had fielded it cleanly. Wright scored and the run put the Mets up 3-2. Brian Schneider hit the first pitch of his at-bat to first for a ground out that ended the inning.

In the fourth, Myers thought he had leadoff hitter pitcher John Maine struck out on an 0-2 curveball but didn’t get the call. Maine singled into left, but Myers got the next three behind him.

He threw a 1-2-3 fifth.

Madson started the sixth with the game tied at 3-3. Easley led off with a slowly hit ground ball up the middle. Rollins tried to barehand it in front of second base but didn’t handle it and Easley had an infield single. Schneider followed with a single that moved Easley to second. Maine tried to bunt but fouled off strike three for the first out. Reyes was next and he blasted Madson’s first pitch out to right-center for a three-run homer that changed the game and put the Mets up 6-3. Reyes circled the bases with a fist and then a single finger in the air, a gesture that was apparently an expression of exuberance about the possibility the Mets might be tied for first with 61 games to go if the pen didn’t blow it again or perhaps a reference to either the Mets winning the NL East in 2006 or something he had done as a small child while growing up in the Dominican Republic. Madson struck out Chavez for the second out before Wright singled and stole second. Delgado followed with a walk before Beltran grounded to second for the third out.

Terrible inning for Madson.

Condrey pitched the seventh. Easley singled with one out and moved to third when Schneider followed with a double. Fernando Tatis hit for the pitcher Maine and grounded to third for the second out with the runners holding. Reyes was walked intentionally to load the bases and Chavez grounded to second to leave the runners stranded.

Condrey returned for the eighth. Wright led off with a ground ball to third that new third baseman Feliz didn’t handle for an error. Delgado singled to left and Wright moved to second. Beltran bunted the runners to second and third for the first out. Righty Robinson Cancel hit for the pitcher Joe Smith and grounded to short with the runners holding. Easley grounded to second to leave them both stranded.

The Mets hit the pen hard. In three innings Madson and Condrey combined to allow three runs on seven hits and two walks. Condrey threw 31 pitches and Madson 24.

The Phillies’ lineup against righty John Maine went (1) Rollins (2) Utley (3) Burrell (4) Howard (5) Dobbs (6) Victorino (7) Jenkins (8) Ruiz. That’s a new one. I like it. Burrell hits third, breaking up Utley and Howard as the Phils put four lefties in their lineup. Victorino drops down to sixth even against the righty with Jenkins hitting seventh to split Dobbs and Jenkins. I like Utley hitting two instead of Victorino.

1-2-3 in the first.

Down 2-0 in the second, Victorino and Jenkins homered back-to-back with two outs, tying the game at 2-2. Ruiz drew a walk before Myers struck out to end the frame.

Utley walked with one out in the third, but Howard and Burrell went down behind him.

The Phils went 1-2-3 in the fourth.

Ruiz led off the fifth with a single and Myers bunted him to second. Rollins doubled into right center and Ruiz scored, tying the game at 3-3. Utley popped to second and Burrell struck out to set the Phillies down.

Howard led off the sixth with a single. Dobbs flew to left for the first out before Victorino hit a slow ground ball to second. Easley tagged Howard as he went by and threw to first to complete the double-play. Replays showed that Easley missed the tag on Howard.

With two outs in the seventh, Taguchi hit for Madson and singled. Rollins flew to right for the third out.

Down 6-3 in the eighth, Burrell drew a one out walk. Howard lined to Reyes for the second out and with lefty Scott Schoeneweis on the mound Feliz hit for Dobbs. Righty Joe Smith entered the game for the Mets and got Feliz to ground back to the mound for the third out.

Feliz is now 1-for-17 since the All-Star break.

Billy Wagner threw a 1-2-3 ninth. Bruntlett hit for Jenkins and grounded to third for the second out.

Rollins was 1-for-4 with a double and an RBI.

Utley 0-for-3 with a walk. He’s 3-for-his-last-16.

Burrell 0-for-3 with a walk.

Howard 1-for-4. He’s hitting 320/378/693 in July.

Dobbs 0-for-3. He’s 1-for-his-last-10.

Victorino 1-for-4 with his second home run in two days. He’s slugging .592 in July with 11 extra-base hits, including five home runs.

Jenkins 1-for-3 with a home run and two strikeouts.

Ruiz 1-for-3 with a walk. 5-for-his-last-15 with two walks.

Jamie Moyer (9-6, 3.90) faces lefty Oliver Perez (6-6, 4.36) this afternoon. Perez hasn’t allowed more than two earned runs in any of his last four starts. In those outings he has struck out 27 in 26 innings. Opponents are hitting just .233 against him, but he’s walked 63 in 109 1/3 innings (that’s too many). He’s made three starts against the Phillies this season and hasn’t been charged with a run in 18 1/3 innings. Moyer has allowed three or fewer runs in eight straight starts and hasn’t allowed a home run in 19 2/3 innings over his last three. He has a 3.12 ERA in his ten starts away from Citizens Bank Park.

Eaton junk has Phils ill

After the bullpen threw 12 2/3 innings in the first three games of the series with the Mets, 2 2/3 innings out of Eaton’s start wasn’t exactly what the Phillies needed. It was what they got, though.

The Phillies found themselves down 8-0 in the third and 10-1 in the bottom of the sixth. They did put together a valiant comeback, bringing Howard, Burrell, Feliz and Werth to the plate in the bottom of the ninth as the tying run. Never did tie the game up, though.

The pen has now thrown 19 innings over the Phillies’ last four games.

The Phillies lost to the New York Mets last night, falling 10-9. They lose the series three games to one and are 48-42 on the season. They have lost three in a row and have lost seven of the last eight series they have played.

Adam Eaton got the start for the Phillies and went 2 2/3 innings, allowing eight runs on ten hits. Only six of the runs were earned. Two of the hits went for extra-bases, both doubles. He walked one and struck out one.

Jose Reyes led off the first with a single and stole second. Endy Chavez bunted for a single that moved Reyes to third. David Wright was next and looped a ground ball to second. Utley tried to tag Chavez but missed and threw Wright out at first for the first out as Reyes scored to put the Mets up 1-0. Carlos Beltran grounded to first and Chavez moved to third. Damion Easley was next and he singled into right, scoring Chavez to make it 2-0. Carlos Delgado grounded to second for the third out.

Fernando Tatis singled off the glove of Dobbs to start the second. Brian Schneider followed with a ground ball to second. Utley made a nice diving play to force Tatis at second. The pitcher Pedro Martinez tried to bunt Schneider to second but struck out for the second out. Eaton walked Reyes to put men on first and second. Chavez was next and singled into right center, scoring Schneider to make it 3-0 with Reyes going to third. Wright blasted a 2-2 pitch down the left field line for a bases clearing double. 5-0. Eaton got Beltran to pop to third to end the inning.

Delgado doubled with one out in the third and moved to third when Tatis followed with a single. Schneider hit a slow ground ball to short and Rollins threw him out at first as Delgado scored to make it 6-0. Pedro hit a hard ground ball to third through Dobbs for an error. Tatis scored from second and it was 7-0. Reyes moved Pedro to second with a single. Chavez hit a 3-2 pitch back through the middle and Pedro scored. 8-0. Condrey relieved Eaton and got Wright to fly to center for the third out.

Eaton needed 68 pitches to get eight outs.

Condrey pitched the fourth, throwing for the third straight day. With one out he allowed back-to-back singles to Easley and Delgado, but got Tatis and Schneider on ground outs to end the frame.

He threw a 1-2-3 fifth to drop his ERA on the season to 3.93.

RJ Swindle made his major league debut in the sixth. Wright was the first man to face him and hit a 3-2 pitch just out down the left field line to put New York up 9-1. Beltran and Easley followed with singles that put men on first and second before Swindle struck out Delgado to get his very own ERA. He walked Tatis to load the bases before Schneider popped to short for the second out. Pedro ripped a single back through the middle. Beltran scored to make it 10-1 but Victorino threw Easley out at the plate for the third out.

Swindle came back to throw a 1-2-3 seventh and a 1-2-3 eighth.

Romero started the ninth, pitching for the third straight day, and gave up a leadoff single to Tatis. Tatis went for two and Burrell threw him out for the first out. Tatis was safe, but the ball beat him by a lot and the Phillies got the call. Romero got the next two.

The pen goes 6 1/3 innings, allowing two runs on seven hits and a walk. Condrey and Romero were both really good. Swindle was solid after a shaky start. Condrey threw 37 pitches, pitching for the third day in a row. Swindle 53 pitches, Romero nine.

Romero and Condrey should not be allowed to pitch four days in a row. I would say there’s close to zero chance Condrey pitches after throwing 37 last night, but Manuel may be tempted to use Romero. Swindle is no doubt unavailable after 53 and Romero is the only other lefty in the pen. On the plus side, Hamels is the one guy in the rotation who can give you a long outing. That issue is complicated as Hamels threw 125 pitches his last time out.

The Phillies’ lineup against righty Pedro Martinez went (1) Rollins (2) Victorino (3) Utley (4) Howard (5) Burrell (6) Dobbs (7) Werth (8) Coste. Werth in right against the righty with Jenkins on the bench. Dobbs at third with Feliz on the bench. Coste catches.

1-2-3 in the first.

Howard started the second with a single. Burrell and Dobbs struck out behind him before Werth walked. Coste grounded to first.

1-2-3 third.

Utley led off the fourth and hit a 1-2 pitch out to right to cut the New York lead to 8-1. Howard drew a walk but Burrell and Dobbs both grounded out before Werth drew another walk. With men on first and second and two down, Coste struck out swinging at a 2-2 pitch to end the inning.

Taguchi hit for Condrey to start the fifth and struck out. Rollins singled to center before Victorino flew to center for the second out. Rollins stole second, but was left there when Utley struck out looking to end the inning.

Burrell homered with one out in the sixth. 10-2. Dobbs followed with a double, but Werth and Coste both struck out to leave Dobbs stranded.

With one out in the seventh, Rollins singled and went to second on a wild pitch. Victorino doubled to right and Rollins scored to make it 10-3. Bruntlett, who replaced Utley in the top of the inning, moved Victorino to third with a ground out. Howard was next and he hit the first pitch of his at-bat deep to right where it was touched by a fan who reached over the railing. Howard was given a home run that made it 10-5. Should have been a double. Jerry Manuel was ejected arguing. Burrell struck out for the third out.

Werth singled with one out in the eighth. Coste struck out for the second out. Jenkins hit for Swindle with the righty Aaron Heilman on the mound and hit the first pitch he saw way out for a home run that made it 10-7. First home run since June 7 for Jenkins. Rollins struck out looking to end the inning.

With the Phils still down 10-7, Victorino led off the ninth against Billy Wagner and doubled down the third base line. Bruntlett drew a walk and it brought Howard up as the tying run. Howard struck out swinging for the first out before Burrell flew to right. Feliz was next, hitting for Dobbs against the lefty, and got behind 0-2 before he singled into center. Victorino scored to make it 10-8 and Beltran’s throw went to third base and got away from Wright. Bruntlett scored to make it 10-9 and Feliz went to second. It brought up Werth with the tying run on second. He got ahead 1-0 but flew to right to end the game.

Rollins was 2-for-5 in the game. 4-for-18 with a walk and one run scored in the four-game set. 272/337/437 for the season.

Victorino 2-for-5 with two doubles. 6-for-17 in the series. 270/341/375 for the year. He had five extra-base hits in June and two last night.

Utley was 1-for-3 with his 25th home run. 3-for-16 with a walk in the series. 294/378/601. He has three walks in his last 52 at-bats.

Howard 2-for-4 with his 24th home run. 6-for-17 with two home runs in the series. 226/317/484. There are a lot of people who will tell you that Howard is having a good season, but most of them turn out to work for the Phillies. His .317 on-base percentage is 114th of the 155 NL players with 150 plate appearances this year.

Burrell was 1-for-5 with his 22nd home run. 4-for-15 in the series. 277/409/586 for the year.

Dobbs 1-for-4 with a double. 1-for-5 in the series. 322/358/443 for the year.

Werth 1-for-3 with two walks in the game. 3-for-8 with a home run and four walks in the series. 277/369/503. Jenkins was 1-for-1 with a home run in the game and 1-for-6 with three strikeouts in the series. The Phils need his bat. 237/287/384 in a miserable season so far.

Coste was 0-for-4, struck out three times and left six men on base. That’s not so much what you’re looking for in a game you lose by a run. 0-for-12 in the series. 292/349/506. Ruiz was 1-for-6 in the series and is 1-for-his-last-23 overall. 207/298/277 overall. That is really bad. Among the 155 NL players with 150 or more plate appearances, Ruiz’s .277 slugging percentage is 152nd.

Cole Hamels (9-5, 3.22) faces righty Joel Pinero (2-4, 4.52) tonight. Pinero has walked just 17 in 75 2/3 innings this season. He’s been hit hard his last two times out, allowing 11 runs on 21 hits over 12 2/3 innings. The Cards have lost six of the last seven games he has started. Hamels has gone at least seven innings in six straight starts and the Phils have won three of the last four he’s started. Hamels threw 125 pitches against the Braves in his last start, which is too many and his high for the season.

The exercise to determine whether more people live in New York or Philadelphia continues. You can still vote for Burrell until 5 PM on Thursday.

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