Phillies fans spend much of their time these days thinking about how to improve the offense. That’s always a good idea. But if you compare what the Phillies did in 2011 to what they did in 2012, it seems clear that pitching accounts for the massive drop.
So shouldn’t the Phillies be focusing on their pitching?
It seems like the answer is almost surely no. If the value of the position players stays about the same, the pitching is going to have to be extraordinary for the Phillies to return to their recent levels of regular season success. And the pitching is never, ever going to be as good as it was in 2011. In both 2011 and 2012, the team’s hitters were far from exceptional — by combined bWAR for all hitters, the Phils were ninth in the NL in 2012 and eighth in 2011. In 2011, the pitching was so enormously fantastic the Phils were able to dominate the regular season anyway. In 2012, the overall contribution of the position players was about the same as it was in 2011 — the pitching just wasn’t elite in a way that allowed the Phillies to overcome it.
Not only is the pitching not going to be as fantastic as it was in 2011, it probably isn’t going to be as fantastic as it was in 2010. The combined WAR for Phillie pitchers in 2010 was 21.2. Over the past 20 years, other than 2011, the closest the Phillies have gotten to the 21.2 mark was 2006 when their pitchers combined to post a bWAR of 14.8.
Of course, for a lot (18) of the past 20 years, the Phillies didn’t have Halladay, Lee and Hamels atop their rotation. In 1997, for example, Mark Leiter, Matt Beach, Tyler Green and Calvin Maduro combined to make 82 starts for the Phillies, throwing to a 5.61 ERA combined as the Phillies put up a combined WAR for their pitchers of 1.6. Those days are mercifully gone, but in 2012 the Phils gave 86 starts to Halladay, Lee and Hamels and that didn’t turn out real well either.
Given that the pitching is never going back to where it was in 2011, the Phillies are going to need to have both their position players and pitchers improve if they want to retake their position among the elite teams in the NL.
Just how far do they have to go? Really, really far. At least if you look at WAR as calculated by Baseball-Reference.
The table below shows the WAR for hitters and pitchers for the NL teams that won the most games in each of the last five years (the 2012 Phillies are also included, despite not being close to one of the four best teams in the NL last year):
| W | bWAR H | bWAR P | H+P | ||
| 2012 | WAS | 98 | 20.6 | 20.2 | 40.8 |
| CIN | 97 | 14.3 | 26.4 | 40.7 | |
| SF | 94 | 28.9 | 5.5 | 34.4 | |
| ATL | 94 | 23.2 | 11.7 | 34.9 | |
| (PHI) | 81 | 15 | 10.8 | 25.8 | |
| 2011 | PHI | 102 | 14.2 | 35.2 | 49.4 |
| MIL | 96 | 23.7 | 14.6 | 38.3 | |
| ARI | 94 | 23.6 | 7.3 | 30.9 | |
| STL | 90 | 24.4 | 9.4 | 33.8 | |
| 2010 | PHI | 97 | 21.3 | 21.2 | 42.5 |
| SF | 92 | 20.8 | 19.5 | 40.3 | |
| CIN | 91 | 29.5 | 8.1 | 37.6 | |
| ATL | 91 | 22.8 | 15.4 | 38.2 | |
| 2009 | LAD | 95 | 27.1 | 17.6 | 44.7 |
| PHI | 93 | 26.3 | 10.2 | 36.5 | |
| COL | 92 | 17.8 | 17.9 | 35.7 | |
| STL | 91 | 22.4 | 14.9 | 37.3 | |
| 2008 | CHC | 97 | 18.9 | 26.9 | 45.8 |
| PHI | 92 | 27.3 | 11.1 | 38.4 | |
| MIL | 90 | 24.3 | 13.6 | 37.9 | |
| NYM | 89 | 23.1 | 12.6 | 35.7 |
So, for example, in 2012, the hitters for the Phillies accumulated a total bWAR of 15.0 and the pitchers accumulated a total bWAR of 10.8. If you add them together they total 25.8 — significantly worse than the total for the NL’s fourth-best team by wins, Atlanta (34.9), the third-best team the Giants (34.4), the second-best team the Reds (40.7) or 98-win Nats (40.8).
The 25.8 mark was also hugely worse than the 2011 Phils (49.4).
Again, if you look at the bWAR H column, Baseball-Reference’s calculation suggests that the total WAR for the Phillie position players in 2012 was better than the total WAR for the Phillie position players in 2011.
Over the last five years, here are the average bWAR for hitters and for pitchers for the teams who have won the most, second-most, third-most and fourth-most games in the NL:
| Avg bWAR H | Avg bWAR P | H+P | |
| #1 | 20.42 | 24.22 | 44.64 |
| #2 | 22.48 | 16.36 | 38.84 |
| #3 | 24.82 | 10.48 | 35.3 |
| #4 | 23.18 | 12.8 | 35.98 |
| Actual bWAR H | Actual bWAR P | H+P | |
| PHI 2012 | 15 | 10.8 | 25.8 |
| PHI 2011 | 14.2 | 35.2 | 49.4 |
| PHI 2010 | 21.3 | 21.2 | 42.5 |
| PHI 2009 | 26.3 | 10.2 | 36.5 |
| PHI 2008 | 27.3 | 11.1 | 38.4 |
So that suggests to get to the level of the fourth-best team in the NL over the past five seasons, the Phillies would need to add a little more than ten WAR between their hitters and pitchers to their 2012 marks.
That’s a lot.
Important to note is that in 2010, when the Phillies were great, the total WAR for their pitchers was 21.2, which is the second-highest mark for the team in the past 20 years behind only the 35.2 from 2011. I believe you have to go back to 1983 to find a year (other than 2011) in which the combined bWAR for Phillie pitchers was better than 21.2. In 1983, John Denny won the Cy Young for the Phils, Steve Carlton was very good in 37 starts and Kevin Gross and Charles Hudson were both pretty good. Al Holland finished sixth in Cy Young voting pitching out of the pen.
None of that is the real point, though. The real point is that even in 2010, when the pitching was fantastic, the best it had been since 1983, the Phillies still got 21.3 combined WAR from their position players, which is a whole lot more than they got in either of the last two seasons. It’s also a whole lot more than they’re going to get in 2013 without significant additions among the position players.
This suggests that the Angels are close to signing Ryan Madson and that Madson will close for the Angels.
This suggests there are seven teams interested in Shane Victorino. The Phillies are not on the list. It is surprising to me if the Phillies are not interested in bringing Victorino back.
The Phillies signed right-handed pitcher Brian Erbe to a minor league deal. Erbe made Baseball America’s list of top 100 prospects before the 2007 (#76), but has been awful in the minors over the last three years, throwing to a 6.13 ERA over 108 2/3 innings. He missed much of the 2011 season after surgery for a torn labrum and turns 25 next month.
Update: This says Carlos Ruiz has been suspended for 25 games after testing positive for an Amphetamine.


November 27th, 2012 on 11:33 am
Brian Erbe. There is your 8th inning guy! Just kidding (I hope).
“In 1997, for example, Mark Leiter, Matt Beach, Tyler Green and Calvin Maduro combined to make 82 starts for the Phillies…” No wonder I have completely blocked this time of my life out of my head.
November 27th, 2012 on 11:46 am
They must have quite a scouting report on Brian Erbe. Cause he’s been really awful over the past three years. I’m guessing a torn labrum can’t be that good for you if you’re a pitcher.
I’m really surprised if it’s the case that the Phillies have no interest in Shane Victorino.
November 27th, 2012 on 12:31 pm
Given Ruben’s earlier comments about trying to get younger, avoiding Vic isn’t all that surprising to me. It probably also contributes to why we’re hearing more noise about Upton than Bourn.
November 27th, 2012 on 1:15 pm
Have I mentioned that BJ Upton on-based .298 last year recently? Or that he on-based .316 over his last 2,509 plate appearances? I feel like I haven’t.
Also, getting younger is a terrible goal. It would be especially terrible for the Phillies given their current makeup. The big question about the team is whether their window is disappearing or has disappeared. If they think it has disappeared, they have a whole bunch of guys they need to trade real soon.
November 27th, 2012 on 1:30 pm
Geez, do you think they think the window has closed? C’Cause man, if they think that the program really will be radically different. Radically.
November 27th, 2012 on 1:40 pm
I wonder if the Phillies aren’t interested in Vic because of something that happened that we aren’t necessarily aware of. In other words, I wonder if that bridge has been burned.
The Erbe thing follows a similar recent pattern. Joe Jordan, who is currently working as the farm director for the Phillies, was the head of the draft in the Orioles system until about a year ago. The Phillies have made a lot of signings of guys that Jordan drafted for the Orioles as minor league free agents thus far, and also plucked two useful pieces in the Thome trade. Not saying it is a bad thing, just not surprising.
November 27th, 2012 on 1:41 pm
At no point did I claim to agree with Ruben’s approach. :-p
November 27th, 2012 on 1:41 pm
I don’t think that they think the window is closed, at least not yet. If they did think that, the first piece to move is Cliff Lee.
November 27th, 2012 on 1:45 pm
I agree with Greg about Victorino that there might be some reason we’re not aware of that the Phils wouldn’t want him back. They also might not want him back cause he was so awful last year.
Hoping for the best on Erbe. Per your explanation, it seems like there’s a case to be made that Joe Jordan has a lot of information that we don’t.
On the window closed or not, I think it’s possible that the Phillies can make a whole lot of money with a team that people want to see even if there’s not much chance that team is going to be great. The Phillies have way more information than we do, in particular about Halladay and Howard and their health and how likely they are to be productive in 2013. I think the Phillies need both Halladay and Howard to be way better in 2013 than they were in 2012 to have much of a chance.
November 27th, 2012 on 1:48 pm
Also agree that Cliff Lee is the first to go if it’s over.
Not sure I necessarily think that trading Cliff Lee is a sign that the Phillies think it’s over, though, cause he seems like the most tradeable of the enormous contracts. Think there’s a possibility the Phillies could trade him without starting over.
November 27th, 2012 on 2:33 pm
True…if the Phillies trade Lee for a huge impact 3B and/or corner outfielder and then sign Greinke as a free agent, then I agree they probably don’t think it is over. I just don’t see that scenario happening.
November 27th, 2012 on 3:03 pm
Me neither.
I think if you really wanted to consider if the Phils could get better for 2013 by trading Lee and using that salary to bring in new players, you would need a much more complete understanding of who is actually available. There aren’t a whole ton of guys out there who are likely to bring more value than Lee in 2013. On the other hands, a) the Phillies have a lot of positions where they need players and b) Lee was about the ninth highest paid player in 2012 and while he was very good, he wasn’t the ninth best.
The other thing that people running the team understand and that we don’t is how much money Cliff Lee makes for the organization, whether it helps them win or not (obviously he helps them win, but he’s not going to carry the Phillies to the post-season by himself). I know I’m a lot more enthusiastic about going to see Cliff Lee’s start than I would be Tyson Brummett’s (if he weren’t on the Blue Jays).
November 27th, 2012 on 5:00 pm
Speaking of guys who won’t be able to improve our hitting score, Chooch got hit with a 25-game suspension for amphetamines…
November 27th, 2012 on 5:11 pm
Yeah, Jim. Who ever saw that coming! That’s awful, just awful, about Chooch.
On Vic and something we don’t know. Do y’all remember their having to pull Cliff off of Vic in the dugout that game?