The Phillies have traded Shane Victorino to the Dodgers for right-handed pitchers Josh Lindblom and Ethan Martin.
Victorino was taken by the Phillies in the 2005 Rule V draft from the Dodgers. He was offered back to the Dodgers and LA declined, so the Phils sent him to the minors. He made 19 plate appearances with the Phils in ’05 before playing regularly in 2006. From ’06 to ’12, Victorino got 3,958 plate appearances with the Phils in which he put up a 279/345/438 line, stealing 179 bases while getting caught just 39 times.
Victorino saw significant time at both corner outfield positions in ’06 and more than 900 innings in right in ’07 while Aaron Rowand roamed center for the Phils. Victorino took over as the primary guy in center field in 2008 and has played there through to this point in the 2012 season.
He won three Gold Gloves with the Phillies (’08, ’09 and ’10), was twice an All-Star (’09 and ’11) and twice finished in the top twenty in NL-MVP voting (’09 and ’11). In 2009 and 2011, he led the NL in triples. In 2011, he played to a fielding percentage of 1.000 in 1,150 2/3 innings in center field for the Phils.
His best year with the bat was 2011, when he posted a 279/355/491 line. His 2010 and 2012 seasons were marred by problems hitting against right-handed pitching. In 2010, coming off of a year when he hit 283/347/440 against righties, he posted a 235/306/386 line against them. So far in 2012 he has hit 242/299/346 against righties.
On October 2, 2008, Victorino hit a grand slam off of CC Sabathia in game two of the NLDS against the Brewers. He was 3-for-4 with two doubles and a grand slam in that game.
In game three of the ’08 NLCS against the Dodgers, Victorino gave Hiroki Kuroda the don’t-throw-the-ball-at-my-head gesture after Kuroda threw the ball at his head, which led led to an on-field incident after Victorino grounded out.
The next day, the Phils found themselves down 5-3 headed into the eighth inning. Victorino hit a two-run homer off of Cory Wade and three batters later Matt Stairs hit a memorable bomb off of Jonathan Broxton to put the Phils on top to stay.
In game five of the ’08 World Series, Victorino’s two-run single off of Scott Kazmir in the bottom of the first gave the Phils an early 2-0 lead.
He was fantastic in the first two rounds of the 2009 playoffs, going 13-for-36 (.361) in the NLDS and the NLCS combined before hitting .182 in the World Series against the Yankees. Mariano Rivera got him on a ground ball to second to end the final game of that series as the Yankees won game six 7-3.
Victorino struggled offensively in the post-season in 2010, hitting just .216 overall. He did make a fantastic defensive play in game three against the Reds, though, taking an RBI-double away from Brandon Phillips in the first inning of a game the Phils would win 2-0.
He hit .316 in the NLDS against the Cards in 2011, going 2-for-3 in game five with a double, which was the only extra-base hit of the game for the Phils.
Martin turned 23 in June. The Dodgers took him out of high school in the first round of the 2008 draft with the 15th pick (one pick ahead of Brett Lawrie and four ahead of Andrew Cashner). He was awful in 2009 and 2010, throwing to a 6.17 ERA over 208 2/3 innings between two levels. He’s been much better so far in 2012, making 20 starts in the Double-A Southern League in which he’s gone 8-6 with a 3.58 ERA and a 1.27 ratio and striking out 112 in 118 innings.
Lindblom has been with the Dodgers all year, making 48 appearances for LA in which he has thrown to a 3.02 ERA with a 1.26 ratio and striking out 43 in 47 2/3 innings. He’s allowed nine home runs in 47 2/3 innings, which is too many. He has walked too many left-handed hitters this year — they are hitting .253 against him but on-basing .352. Much better results in LA than away from it for the year. He’s thrown to a 1.05 ERA in 26 appearances at home this year and 5.32 in his 22 appearances away from home. He turned 25 in June.
This says Domonic Brown is on his way to join the Phils and that a Pence deal is in the works.
Jon Heyman says Pence is on his way to San Francisco.
So does USA Today. Nobody seems to know what the Phils are getting yet, but a lot of people suggest it will include catcher Tommy Joseph.
There must be more, right? Right?
Joseph just turned 21 and has a 256/307/427 line in the minors. He hit 22 homers in 560 plate appearances last year in the Class A Advanced California League and 16 in 473 plate appearances in 2010 in the Class A South Atlantic League as an 18-year-old.
38 is a lot of homers to hit before the end of your 19-year-old season. .307 still isn’t a whole lot to on-base.
Jon Heyman says the Pence deal is 3-for-1 with the Phillies getting Nate Schierholtz, Joseph and maybe a pitcher. Getting better.
Todd Zolecki says the Phils would get Single-A right-handed reliever Seth Rosin in the Giants deal.
Jayson Stark says Cliff Lee won’t be dealt.
The Pence deal is done. The Phillies send Pence and cash to the Giants for Joseph, Schierholtz and Rosin. Let’s hope for the best, but I like the Victorino deal a whole lot better than that one.
Domonic Brown was recalled.


July 31st, 2012 on 1:52 pm
I sure hope that Pence deal gets better. thats a lot of outfield gone in a blink and a few relievers and a catching propect isnt much back.
DBrown should be roaming the OF full time to finish the year. the rest of this season should give him ample time to show what he got. He has been hitting better of late and (make sure your sitting down) was #2 on the sportcenter top 10 plays of the week the other day!
July 31st, 2012 on 1:55 pm
I think it’s definitely better than just Joseph for Pence. I think the Phils at least get Nate Schierholtz. Sounds like we’ll know soon.
Cliff Lee for Justin Upton is my favorite rumor of the day. Golly.
I agree that Brown should get a chance to play the rest of the way. I heard someone say that Pierre is in DC running around the OF. Kind of a surprise to me. I would have guessed he would have been gone before 7 PM.
July 31st, 2012 on 1:57 pm
I think Amaro may be having a good day. I think the Victorino trade was good. I think there’s more coming.
July 31st, 2012 on 2:20 pm
i also see Lee off the market as of now. I’m good with that. keep the horses together for one more go next season.
I’m waiting for Blanton to go next i guess. I cannot see how he isnt valuable given his durability and the new setup of the playoffs.
I also agree that Amaro is setting himself up for a good day.
July 31st, 2012 on 2:22 pm
I liked it more before the Pence deal. It sounds like the Phillies may trade Blanton to BAL for IF Jonathan Schoop, who’s not a great prospect. We’ll see who pays Blanton if it happens.
Hope Schierholtz doesn’t take at-bats away from Brown. Hope the Phils find a home for Pierre.
July 31st, 2012 on 2:24 pm
I’m hearing the most likely to still be moved are Blanton, Wigginton, and Pierre (in that order).
A Google for Tommy Joseph makes it sound like he’s the second coming of Johnny Bench. Oh, what a trade it would be if that were the case…
July 31st, 2012 on 2:25 pm
Schneider activated from DL.
Brown called up.
Quite possibly RAJ’s business day of his career. I guess we’ll judge him in September..
July 31st, 2012 on 2:27 pm
I meant busiest, but business works too.
July 31st, 2012 on 2:29 pm
Tommy Joseph has a career .307 on-base percentage in the minor leagues. All for him being the next Johnny Bench, though. Bench hisownself on-based .297 at AAA at age 19. I think we need more than they both didn’t get on-base at a young age, though, given that I also didn’t on-base well at a young age and I’m not the answers to the problems of the Phillies.
July 31st, 2012 on 2:36 pm
Before we write off Joseph and his .307 OBP, may I remind you that Carlos Ruiz had a .264 OBP in his first full season of A+ ball as a 23-year old. He turned out OK.
July 31st, 2012 on 2:36 pm
Lind-Blom goes the dynamite!
(Sorry, couldn’t help myself)
July 31st, 2012 on 2:38 pm
The Lee for Upton rumor pretty eye opening. Have no idea who
Starts inch illy if Lee and Blanton both go. Any
Minor league starters ready for a two month audition?
July 31st, 2012 on 2:48 pm
One is. (Forgot the name.) Kendrick would get the other starts.
July 31st, 2012 on 2:53 pm
I don’t know on the starters. I would guess Tyler Cloyd gets a chance soon. I think that Ethan Martin, who they just got in the Victorino deal, should be close. I really don’t know, though.
I think it’s Hamels, Halladay, Worley and Lee for sure. I don’t think Lee is going anywhere. Kendrick would be my first guess to fill in for the short term.
If Tommy Joseph turns out to be as good as Ruiz I think it’s a good deal for the Phils. He has hit a ton of HR already, so maybe he can learn to walk. It sounds like he’s iffy behind the plate, too, but most seem to think he’s be able to stick at catcher. Joseph is a huge part of whether the Pence deal turns out to be good or not. We know what Schierholtz can do and there’s not a whole lot of hope that Rosin is going to turn into a superstar.
July 31st, 2012 on 3:02 pm
Everything I’ve seen on Joseph indicates that he is above average as a catcher, throwing out 48% of base stealers, which indicates good footwork and strong arm. Reports of how he ‘handles pitchers’ are varied. Either way, I’m not saying he’s Carlos Ruiz, just that minor league numbers are very hard to interpret directly to major league stats. Seems to be even more the case for catchers.
I’m also not convinced that he is still on the team in an hour. He seems eerily similar to Sebastian Valle, so he may be flipped in yet another trade. Or Valle could be moved. My hunch is that one of them is included in the Blanton deal with Baltimore so that the team gets more than scrap for salary relief.
Tyler Cloyd and B.J. Rosenberg (yes, they made him a starter) are probably your 6th and 7th starters now.
July 31st, 2012 on 3:11 pm
Interesting. I had wondered if they were hoping that Joseph might help at first in the future.
Looking forward to seeing BJ Rosenberg’s first start. Sounds like runs.
Anyone have a thought on who the best OF on the Phillies at this point is? Laynce Nix? It’s kinda ugly out there. Brown is obviously the guy with the highest upside. At least we should get a chance to see a lot of him. Hopefully he’s usable defensively at this point. It’s going to be a long forevermore if he’s isn’t.
July 31st, 2012 on 3:17 pm
I think it’s
1) Nixberry
2) Schierholz
3) Brown
Lots of opportunity for Brown to move up that list.
July 31st, 2012 on 3:20 pm
Seriously, though. Who do the Phillies think is going to play center field against righties? Like tonight, for example? Mayberry? Pierre? Both of those are ridiculous. Brown? Also ridiculous. I don’t think they have anyone on the team who can be put in the lineup at CF against a righty that isn’t just awful.
I’d assume Mayberry starts in center tonight. We’ll see, though. He shouldn’t be on the field against righties.
July 31st, 2012 on 3:24 pm
Obviously the thought of winning more games in 2012 stopped being a priority. I’d assume they have something in mind to find a full time center fielder in 2013.
For the time being, 0-for-4-with-3-strikeouts will be playing CF vs. righties for the foreseeable future.
July 31st, 2012 on 3:29 pm
I wonder if the Phillies think Joseph or Valle could be converted to 3B? The list of positions where they have no player and no hope is getting long. As far as I can tell we’ve got 3B, CF and whichever corner Brown isn’t playing. Not saying he’s a sure thing by any means, but at least I can imagine him being above average at one of the corners.
Also, Nix and Schierholtz seems like too many left-handed fourth outfielders to have on the same team at the same time. I mean, forgetting for a minute that they’re our best OF at this point.
July 31st, 2012 on 3:32 pm
The entire starting outfield will be 4th outfielders. Except the day that they put the 5th outfielder out there.
July 31st, 2012 on 4:14 pm
The Yankees got Casey McGehee for Chad Qualls? Really? What about us?
https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/230394537451859968
August 1st, 2012 on 8:33 am
well the new look 2012 Phillies looked rather swell last night!
8-0 against Strasburg and the Nats. Ill take it. Lee is just piling up the wins now. Amazing that at the end of July he doubled his win total in one night! that is the thing of legends.
Nix, Mayberry, Pierre. I guess I kinda figured thats what it was gonna be based on what is left.
Brown is batting 1.000 so thats nice. I gotta say, I really am pulling for him though. He has 2 months to cement a position on this team and wouldnt it be nice to have one OF position filled going into the off season instead of 3. I hear Amaro said something along the lines of Luxury tax be damned in 2013 yesterday so big moves could be made this offseason.
August 1st, 2012 on 8:46 am
Shades of ’06. Blow up the team, start winning. Perhaps it will even end better than the ’06 season.
Savery and Diekman sent down after the game. Wondering what they’ve got in mind.
August 1st, 2012 on 9:41 am
Gotta make room for Lindblom and Schierholtz I assume. Last night was fun. Looking forward to watching Brown the rest of the way.
August 1st, 2012 on 9:57 am
Oh? I thought Lindblom and Shierholtz counted towards our 25-man as soon as they were traded.
Let’s see if I can follow the moves yesterday
- Vic
- Pence
+ Schnieder
+ Brown
+ Lindblom
+ Schierholtz
Yeah, we need
- Diekman
- Savery
to fix it. Although the pitcher / position player mix is different. I’m thinking we see:
- Kratz
+ Cloyd
August 1st, 2012 on 9:57 am
(or perhaps,
+ de Fratus)
August 1st, 2012 on 10:05 am
That seems like one more reliever than I thought would be sent down. You lose Pence and Victorino, plus the two relievers. Gain Lindblom, Schierholtz, and Brown. Maybe DeFratus will be called up?
August 1st, 2012 on 10:06 am
Jim and I were posting at the same time. I didn’t see the Schneider move. That would make sense though if they send down Kratz. I can’t imagine they call up Cloyd unless he is going into the rotation. Just MHO.
August 1st, 2012 on 11:10 am
I think the bullpen looks a lot better all of the sudden. Big factors to me seem to be the addition of Lindblom, letting Kendrick pitch out of the pen and Schwimer being suddenly great.
Right now I think the Phils have 11 pitchers on the roster: five starters, lefties Bastardo and Horst and righties Kendrick, Papelbon, Schwimer and Lindblom.
That’s a whole lot better than it’s been recently.
I think keeping Kendrick in the pen is key. Especially since I don’t think we should be counting on Schwimer and Lindblom.
I hope when the Phils trade Blanton they call up Cloyd to pitch in the rotation. If they don’t, I hope they call him up to take Kendrick’s job in the pen.
I think Wigginton and Pierre have to go. I think they bring up a 12th pitcher when one of them does.
Right now the Phils have four left-handed OF and Mayberry. That’s no good. Still nobody to play CF against righties, although Mayberry was great with the bat last night.
I think the biggest question is who among Blanton, Pierre and Wigginton are going to stay with the team for the rest of the year. It seems like Blanton’s future should have something to do with what they do about Cloyd.
Glad they currently have four righties in the pen instead of Papelbon and Schwimer.
August 1st, 2012 on 11:20 am
Also, just one more time on this, I think we should be concerned that Lindblom has a 5.32 ERA away from Dodger Stadium this year and a 1.05 ERA in it.
I still think it was a good pickup. But the Phils need a solid righty in the bullpen and I think it would be a mistake to count on Lindblom to be the guy.
August 1st, 2012 on 11:50 am
Especially since the Phillies have no more games scheduled in LA.
August 1st, 2012 on 11:52 am
Exactly. Six HR in 22 innings away from LA this year. That’s a lot.