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	<title>Comments on: Math, reality and the bullpen all ganging up on the Phillies at the same time and the smart money is on math, reality and the bullpen</title>
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		<title>By: DaMannse</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesflow.com/2012/07/10/math-reality-and-the-bullpen-all-ganging-up-on-the-phillies-at-the-same-time-and-the-smart-money-is-on-math-reality-and-the-bullpen/#comment-78435</link>
		<dc:creator>DaMannse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 02:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kind of wondering what&#039;s gonna happen with Hamels.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kind of wondering what&#8217;s gonna happen with Hamels.</p>
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		<title>By: egrissom</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesflow.com/2012/07/10/math-reality-and-the-bullpen-all-ganging-up-on-the-phillies-at-the-same-time-and-the-smart-money-is-on-math-reality-and-the-bullpen/#comment-78429</link>
		<dc:creator>egrissom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure you heard it right.  Just wonder what their criteria were for a game blown by the bullpen.  Whatever it was, I agree that the bullpen was a huge factor and whatever the number it was higher than it should have been.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure you heard it right.  Just wonder what their criteria were for a game blown by the bullpen.  Whatever it was, I agree that the bullpen was a huge factor and whatever the number it was higher than it should have been.</p>
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		<title>By: egrissom</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesflow.com/2012/07/10/math-reality-and-the-bullpen-all-ganging-up-on-the-phillies-at-the-same-time-and-the-smart-money-is-on-math-reality-and-the-bullpen/#comment-78428</link>
		<dc:creator>egrissom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t actually pull that particular label out that often.  I think the last time was in 2009 when they announced the Polanco signing.  Seems fitting somehow.
http://www.philliesflow.com/2009/12/03/the-placido-effect/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t actually pull that particular label out that often.  I think the last time was in 2009 when they announced the Polanco signing.  Seems fitting somehow.<br />
<a href="http://www.philliesflow.com/2009/12/03/the-placido-effect/" rel="nofollow">http://www.philliesflow.com/2009/12/03/the-placido-effect/</a></p>
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		<title>By: DaMannse</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesflow.com/2012/07/10/math-reality-and-the-bullpen-all-ganging-up-on-the-phillies-at-the-same-time-and-the-smart-money-is-on-math-reality-and-the-bullpen/#comment-78427</link>
		<dc:creator>DaMannse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was only half listening when they said it, but I believe they said that there were 17 games either tied or with the lead when given to the bullpen that were then lost with the pen on the mound. And yeah, 17 sounds impossible. But I&#039;m sure that&#039;s what I heard them say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was only half listening when they said it, but I believe they said that there were 17 games either tied or with the lead when given to the bullpen that were then lost with the pen on the mound. And yeah, 17 sounds impossible. But I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s what I heard them say.</p>
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		<title>By: egrissom</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesflow.com/2012/07/10/math-reality-and-the-bullpen-all-ganging-up-on-the-phillies-at-the-same-time-and-the-smart-money-is-on-math-reality-and-the-bullpen/#comment-78420</link>
		<dc:creator>egrissom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would much rather have guys with experience.  If for no other reason, Manuel is a lot more willing to put them into the game than guys without.  

Not sure what the criteria is for games blown by the bullpen, but 17 seems like too many.  I don&#039;t think they Phillies would be 54-33 now instead of 37-50 if they had a good bullpen.  Maybe if their bullpen allowed zero runs.  

Bigger problem for the Phillies now is that whether the bullpen cost them seven or 17 games in the first half, they&#039;re in an enormous hole.  If there&#039;s a solution it&#039;s definitely about pitching -- adding bullpen by trade, moving existing rotation guys into the pen or letting Tyler Cloyd start or pitch in relief might be part of the solution.  But they need a solution that makes them win about seven out of ten games, so if it&#039;s coming it&#039;s going to have more than one piece.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would much rather have guys with experience.  If for no other reason, Manuel is a lot more willing to put them into the game than guys without.  </p>
<p>Not sure what the criteria is for games blown by the bullpen, but 17 seems like too many.  I don&#8217;t think they Phillies would be 54-33 now instead of 37-50 if they had a good bullpen.  Maybe if their bullpen allowed zero runs.  </p>
<p>Bigger problem for the Phillies now is that whether the bullpen cost them seven or 17 games in the first half, they&#8217;re in an enormous hole.  If there&#8217;s a solution it&#8217;s definitely about pitching &#8212; adding bullpen by trade, moving existing rotation guys into the pen or letting Tyler Cloyd start or pitch in relief might be part of the solution.  But they need a solution that makes them win about seven out of ten games, so if it&#8217;s coming it&#8217;s going to have more than one piece.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesflow.com/2012/07/10/math-reality-and-the-bullpen-all-ganging-up-on-the-phillies-at-the-same-time-and-the-smart-money-is-on-math-reality-and-the-bullpen/#comment-78419</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 19:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find it somewhat amazing that this is the first post this year filed under &quot;It&#039;s the end of the world ...&quot; 

I expect more to come.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it somewhat amazing that this is the first post this year filed under &#8220;It&#8217;s the end of the world &#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>I expect more to come.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesflow.com/2012/07/10/math-reality-and-the-bullpen-all-ganging-up-on-the-phillies-at-the-same-time-and-the-smart-money-is-on-math-reality-and-the-bullpen/#comment-78418</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 19:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the bullpen...I see a lot of guys out there that either a) have talent but not experience or b) have experience but no talent.

My hope is that if/when the team throws in the towel, they give more innings to the guys with talent so that they can get the experience.  I&#039;m thinking of guys like Diekman, Schwimmer, DeFratus (when healthy), Rosenberg, etc.  The guys like Valdes and Sanches, and anybody else who should have a &#039;z&#039; in their name would hopefully get less innings.  Hopefully this will help them sort out who will be helpful in 2013.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the bullpen&#8230;I see a lot of guys out there that either a) have talent but not experience or b) have experience but no talent.</p>
<p>My hope is that if/when the team throws in the towel, they give more innings to the guys with talent so that they can get the experience.  I&#8217;m thinking of guys like Diekman, Schwimmer, DeFratus (when healthy), Rosenberg, etc.  The guys like Valdes and Sanches, and anybody else who should have a &#8216;z&#8217; in their name would hopefully get less innings.  Hopefully this will help them sort out who will be helpful in 2013.</p>
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		<title>By: DaMannse</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesflow.com/2012/07/10/math-reality-and-the-bullpen-all-ganging-up-on-the-phillies-at-the-same-time-and-the-smart-money-is-on-math-reality-and-the-bullpen/#comment-78417</link>
		<dc:creator>DaMannse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 18:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One HUGE change that would give us a chance would be if the bullpen got airtight. I heard on 610 this afternoon that the pen lost or blew 17 games. 

SEVENTEEN!!!!!!!  

Stopping that would make a huge difference, obviously. And might be the ray of sunshine the stats don&#039;t provide.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One HUGE change that would give us a chance would be if the bullpen got airtight. I heard on 610 this afternoon that the pen lost or blew 17 games. </p>
<p>SEVENTEEN!!!!!!!  </p>
<p>Stopping that would make a huge difference, obviously. And might be the ray of sunshine the stats don&#8217;t provide.</p>
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		<title>By: egrissom</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesflow.com/2012/07/10/math-reality-and-the-bullpen-all-ganging-up-on-the-phillies-at-the-same-time-and-the-smart-money-is-on-math-reality-and-the-bullpen/#comment-78415</link>
		<dc:creator>egrissom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[37-50 to 85-77 means the Phillies would have to go 48-27 the rest of the way.  Seems possible.  That&#039;s a .640 winning percentage.  If you played to a .640 winning percentage over 162 games you would go 104-58.

I&#039;d really like to think this isn&#039;t hopeless, but it&#039;s a little tough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>37-50 to 85-77 means the Phillies would have to go 48-27 the rest of the way.  Seems possible.  That&#8217;s a .640 winning percentage.  If you played to a .640 winning percentage over 162 games you would go 104-58.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d really like to think this isn&#8217;t hopeless, but it&#8217;s a little tough.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesflow.com/2012/07/10/math-reality-and-the-bullpen-all-ganging-up-on-the-phillies-at-the-same-time-and-the-smart-money-is-on-math-reality-and-the-bullpen/#comment-78414</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agree with Jim.  I felt a ton better about this team a month ago.  Just seems like everything that could go wrong did over the last 30 or so games.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with Jim.  I felt a ton better about this team a month ago.  Just seems like everything that could go wrong did over the last 30 or so games.</p>
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