Comments on: Nothing to see here

By: egrissom

egrissom — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 15:47:01 +0000

In 1972, Carlton went 27-10 for the Phillies in a year the team was 59-97.

In 156 games, the team scored a total of 503 runs. That’s about 3.22 runs per game.

In the 41 games that Carlton started, the Phillies scored 154 runs or an average of 3.76 runs per game.

In the 115 games that Carlton did not start, the Phillies scored 349 runs or 3.03 runs per game.

So they scored a lot more for him in ’72 when he won 27 games.

That’s part of the issue when it comes to wins, no doubt, but if you want to win 27 games I’d go with starting 41 before trying to get the offense to play a little better for you. Carlton threw 346 1/3 innings that year. If Cole Hamels got 41 starts and threw 346 1/3 innings in 2012, he would win a whole lot more than 14 games. Not sure that’s the way to go, though.

By: Jim

Jim — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 15:17:24 +0000

Out of curiosity… are the numbers available for R/G scored for Carlton when he was winning 20 while the team in total won 40?

By: DaMannse

DaMannse — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 00:56:41 +0000

Uh huh. All I am saying is that at some point, if you want to actually be an ace, you better be able to win more than 14. He wasn’t playing for a last place team. I’m just hoping the Phillies keep him and that he eventually produces the wins he ought to be able to produce. I know that in today’s games, “metrics” are all the rage. I’m old; I want to see someone win 20.

By: egrissom

egrissom — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 23:49:55 +0000

I think a big part about Hamels’s record is that the Phillies just don’t score any runs in the games he starts.

In 2011, the Phillies averaged 4.40 runs per game overall and scored 3.84 runs per game in the 31 games that Hamels started. That was the lowest mark of any Phillie starter.

In 2010, they scored an average of 4.77 runs per game overall and 3.76 per game in Hamels’s 33 starts. That was the lowest mark of any starting pitcher except Nelson Figueroa and he only started one game (in which the Phils scored three runs).

By: DaMannse

DaMannse — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 22:09:51 +0000

Does anyone remember last year at this time that we were dreaming about four 20 game winners? Comparisons to the stellar Oriole staff were rife.

Results, after the most wins on Phillies’ history? Na da. And Hamels won a sparkling 14 games, tied for his second all time best.

I imagine he will pitch more innings as he gets older. One hopes he might actually win a few more games as he gets older too. If he actually gets his 22 million a year, or whatever, one might hope he would, anyway.