The total number of bases stolen by the Phillies was down in 2011 compared to recent years. In my previous post, I suggested that a big part of the dropoff has to do with the number of bases that are being stolen by Jimmy Rollins and Shane Victorino.
In 2011, Rollins stole 30 bases for the Phils and Victorino stole 19. Based on their career numbers for stolen bases based on plate appearances and the number of times they have been on base, which of those numbers should come as a bigger surprise?
| Before 2011 | In 2011 | ||||||||
| SB | PA | TOB | SB per PA | SB per TOB | PA | Expected SB based on PA | Expected SB based on TOB | Actual SB | |
| Rollins | 343 | 6906 | 2257 | .0497 | .152 | 631 | 31.34 | 32.37 | 30 |
| Victorino | 143 | 3043 | 1034 | .0470 | .138 | 586 | 27.54 | 28.49 | 19 |
I think the answer is that based on his pre-2011 numbers, Rollins’s stolen base total of 30 given his plate appearances and times on base is a lot closer to expected than Victorino’s 19. The 30 stolen bases isn’t really even a surprise of Rollins, given his past history of stolen base totals relative to the number of plate appearances he gets and the number of times he gets on base. Rollins missed time with injuries in 2011, limiting his plate appearances to 631 for the season. His stolen base rate in 2011 was very similar to what it was in 2006. That year he got 758 plate appearances, was on base 253 times and stole 36 bases. Based on his ’11 rate, he would have stolen 36 bases over 758 plate appearances in 2011 as well.
While his 2006 and 2011 rates of stolen bases are similar, Rollins has slowed a bit in the stolen base department over the past three years. He stole a career high 47 bases in 2008 and in that year his rates for stolen bases per plate appearance and stolen bases per time on base were also the highest for his career. In the three years since, Rollins has gotten 1,750 plate appearances, been on base 553 times and stolen 78 bases. Had he stolen bases at the rate he had through the end of 2008 and gotten the same number of plate appearances and times on base, we would have expected between 85 (if you use times on base) and 89 (if you use plate appearances) stolen bases.
The other thing I think the table above illustrates is that whether you base it on his stolen bases per plate appearance or his stolen bases per times on base, Rollins has been more likely to steal a base over his career than Victorino.
Victorino saw a bigger drop in his stolen bases in 2011, having stolen 132 bags over his last four seasons, an average of 33 per year.
Victorino stole more than 40 bases in the minors in both 2001 and 2002. In 2003 he got just 86 plate appearances with the Padres, but still stole seven bases. He arrived with the Phils in 2006 and didn’t run at all, getting just four stolen bases in 462 plate appearances. He followed that up with four years with the Phils as an everyday player in which he stole an average of 33 bases a year, at least 25 in every season and at least 30 in three of the four, before stealing just 19 in 2011.
Victorino was effective in his stolen base attempts in 2011, he just made fewer of them. He was caught stealing just three times, giving him a safe rate of 86.4%, which was the second-best of his career after 2007 when he stole 37 bags and was caught just four times (90.2% safe). He also saw considerable time in the leadoff spot in the order, getting 237 plate appearances batting first in the order. While hitting first in the order he stole just nine bases — in 2010 he had gotten 386 plate appearances as a leadoff hitter and stole bases at a much higher rate, getting 22 for the season while batting first.
So why did Victorino run less last year? I don’t know. But I think it’s important to remember that even when you include stolen bases, 2011 was the most productive year of his career as an offensive player. He walked at the best rate of his career, hit a career-high 16 triples and, as a percentage of his plate appearances, delivered extra-base hits and home runs at the highest level of his career. Remember, as good as Victorino’s year was, he had even better numbers before slowing at the end of the season. After going 2-for-4 with a walk and a triple against the Fish on September 2, Victorino was hitting a monster 308/384/542 in 471 plate appearances for the season. His numbers tumbled after that as he hit 163/237/288 over his last 115 plate appearances.
Victorino will appear on the February 20 episode of Hawaii Five-O.
This article by Jayson Stark suggests the Phils may be trying to trade Joe Blanton and that doing so might enable them to try to bring back Oswalt.


February 10th, 2012 on 10:39 am
As much as I’d like to move Blanton, why would anyone take his contract? And is this version of Oswalt really much of an improvement?
February 10th, 2012 on 10:44 am
Somebody will take his contract if the Phillies pay some of it or trade him for minor league filler, and yes Oswalt is an improvement.
February 10th, 2012 on 10:44 am
Yeah, given his speed, it is a wonder to me that Vic does not steal more. 19 seems crazy low to me. Nor has he had to worry about the leg injuries that Rollins has had to contend with, so worrying about re-injury cannot be a factor. The only thing I can think of is a loss of confidence.
Would place in the batting order and who hits behind him explain the difference between Vic and the lead-off Rollins?
February 10th, 2012 on 11:02 am
I think the Phillies are going to have a hard time trading Blanton, even assuming they pay some of his contract. I would rather have Oswalt, but I am going to be surprised if the Phils trade Blanton.
I’m surprised about Victorino’s steals as well. He still seems to have enormous speed. I wouldn’t think there would be a lack of confidence, but I don’t really understand why his stolen base numbers dropped off like they did last year. I also think it’s really important to remember that he was fantastic offensively last year, even if you factor in the steals.
Given the power Victorino has shown recently, I don’t really think he should be leading off. Among the Phils that got 300 plate appearances with the team in 2011, he was arguably the best hitter on the team. I don’t think you want him hitting with nobody on base that often.
February 10th, 2012 on 1:56 pm
Agreed…would possibly even argue that he should be your clean-up hitter until Howard returns. Maybe even after.
February 10th, 2012 on 2:33 pm
I think there’s a real chance we’re going to see a significant amount of Mayberry hitting cleanup while Howard is out. Maybe even Wigginton against lefties or Nix against righties. And there’s also always Pence.
I have no idea, but I would guess we’ll see Victorino closer to the top of the order.
February 10th, 2012 on 2:44 pm
Yeah, I agree. I did not mean that I thought Vic should be leading off. I am wondering if Rollins being lead off with Polanco hitting next means that he would be in a position in the order that naturally means he will be stelaing more than Vic who ought to and does hit lower in the order.
February 10th, 2012 on 2:46 pm
Wow. You think Mayberry in clean up, huh? Sheesh. No pressure, John. No pressure. I was thinking maybe fifth with Pense in the four hole. Mayberry in fourth. Wow. Should be interesting to see what Charlie does with this mix.
February 10th, 2012 on 2:58 pm
I really think Mayberry gets a big chance early in the season. I’m not sure it will be hitting cleanup, but I think he’ll get a lot of at-bats. I’m looking forward to seeing what he does. He just turned 28, so it’s not like he’s a prospect anymore and the Phillies could really use him with Howard sidelined.
My guess is he shows a bunch of power but doesn’t get on base a whole lot. Let’s hope he shows a bunch of power and gets on base a whole lot.
February 10th, 2012 on 3:18 pm
The main argument for Vic leading off is that Rollins hasn’t played must like a leadoff hitter himself..
February 10th, 2012 on 3:40 pm
I hear ya. I think that while he’s healthy, Rollins is going to hit leadoff most of the time. At least in 2012. I’d much rather see Victorino get to hit with men on base than Rollins. Victorino’s isolated power last year was .212 (the best of his career and better than Ibanez, Utley, Brown) and Rollins’s was .138.
February 10th, 2012 on 4:34 pm
So, Rollins, Polly, Chase, John, Hunter, Vic, Mr. X, Chooch?
February 10th, 2012 on 4:43 pm
I think it will depend a lot on whether there’s a righty or a lefty on the mound for the other team. Especially early in the season I think we’re going to see a lot of guys moving around between left and first based on who’s starting for the other team. Polanco belongs hitting seventh or eighth in the lineup. My guess is that Manuel will hit him second to start the season and drop him later.
If Brown starts the year in the minors, I think Mr X has to be Nix or Wigginton, but they will probably hit higher in the lineup than that. I’d really like to see Polanco start the year hitting seventh ahead of Ruiz. We will see.
February 10th, 2012 on 7:32 pm
If he starts in the minors? Have you read anywhere that he has actually learned how to play baseball? I’ve been searching Baseball America and every place else I can think of. As far as I know no one even thinks about him anymore, much less takes him seriously.
Yup. We will see. LMBO
February 11th, 2012 on 7:19 pm
Damannse, Brown no longer has rookie staus, which is why you won’t see him on any prospect lists. However he is still thought of as a major talent.