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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesflow.com/2012/01/12/power-purge/#comment-68256</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 00:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If there was a move to make on 3rd base, he probably would have done it. He may still do something at the deadline. But, given the options, I can see why he didn&#039;t do anything there.

I don&#039;t feel bad about left. R2D2 would be an improvement over Ibanez, so this is certainly addition by subtraction even if Mayberry &amp; friends have an average year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there was a move to make on 3rd base, he probably would have done it. He may still do something at the deadline. But, given the options, I can see why he didn&#8217;t do anything there.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t feel bad about left. R2D2 would be an improvement over Ibanez, so this is certainly addition by subtraction even if Mayberry &amp; friends have an average year.</p>
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		<title>By: DaMannse</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesflow.com/2012/01/12/power-purge/#comment-68246</link>
		<dc:creator>DaMannse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim, I can see what you are talking about happening.  I really can.  I just am really disappointed in what Amaro has done to get ready for what is a critical year. When I thought of how he would act to improve this team, I did not think it would be by just &quot;strengthening the bench&quot;.  That he has not addressed either third or left - especially with Howard going down - just leaves me completely stunned.  Given what the other teams in the NL East have done, it is not hard for me to imagine the Phillies not making the post season.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, I can see what you are talking about happening.  I really can.  I just am really disappointed in what Amaro has done to get ready for what is a critical year. When I thought of how he would act to improve this team, I did not think it would be by just &#8220;strengthening the bench&#8221;.  That he has not addressed either third or left &#8211; especially with Howard going down &#8211; just leaves me completely stunned.  Given what the other teams in the NL East have done, it is not hard for me to imagine the Phillies not making the post season.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure, the arcs of some individual players is on the decline, to the point where some of them are merely better than average. But let&#039;s not discount the contributions of other players (Pence, Mayberry, and the pitching staff) that raised the team&#039;s win total in spite of that.

2013 will see a new face a third base; of that we can be sure. It may even see Mayberry in center, a productive Brown in left, and Victorino traded for infield/catching depth. Who knows? I can&#039;t get worked up on so many individual performances when I see the total team result.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, the arcs of some individual players is on the decline, to the point where some of them are merely better than average. But let&#8217;s not discount the contributions of other players (Pence, Mayberry, and the pitching staff) that raised the team&#8217;s win total in spite of that.</p>
<p>2013 will see a new face a third base; of that we can be sure. It may even see Mayberry in center, a productive Brown in left, and Victorino traded for infield/catching depth. Who knows? I can&#8217;t get worked up on so many individual performances when I see the total team result.</p>
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		<title>By: DaMannse</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesflow.com/2012/01/12/power-purge/#comment-68225</link>
		<dc:creator>DaMannse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The arc of the curves I am talking about is longer than one regular season and only one playoff series.  If those curves continue to extend in the direction they have been going over the past several years, 2012 might be pretty difficult.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The arc of the curves I am talking about is longer than one regular season and only one playoff series.  If those curves continue to extend in the direction they have been going over the past several years, 2012 might be pretty difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s something Yankee-esque about breaking the franchise record for victories and complaining that it wasn&#039;t enough.

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I think it was Larry Bowa that said that in any season, you are guaranteed to win 50 games and lose 50 games. It&#039;s what you do with the other 62 that matter. The 2011 Phils were 52-10 in those games. The manner of victory may not have been what we are accustomed to, but it&#039;s really frikken hard to improve those results. Entire seasons go by with no 100-win team; the 2010 Phils were tops in the majors at 98? (97?)

Certainly, looking past 2012, we&#039;re seeing that core pieces of the 2008 championship team are going to need replacing. I don&#039;t think 2012 itself will present much of a concern. And drawing conclusions off a 5-game playoff series in which we outscored the opponent and lost is just not possible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s something Yankee-esque about breaking the franchise record for victories and complaining that it wasn&#8217;t enough.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>I think it was Larry Bowa that said that in any season, you are guaranteed to win 50 games and lose 50 games. It&#8217;s what you do with the other 62 that matter. The 2011 Phils were 52-10 in those games. The manner of victory may not have been what we are accustomed to, but it&#8217;s really frikken hard to improve those results. Entire seasons go by with no 100-win team; the 2010 Phils were tops in the majors at 98? (97?)</p>
<p>Certainly, looking past 2012, we&#8217;re seeing that core pieces of the 2008 championship team are going to need replacing. I don&#8217;t think 2012 itself will present much of a concern. And drawing conclusions off a 5-game playoff series in which we outscored the opponent and lost is just not possible.</p>
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		<title>By: schmenkman</title>
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		<dc:creator>schmenkman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 19:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The lineup last year was arguably better than in 2008 -- at least for the 2/3 of the season after Utley came back.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lineup last year was arguably better than in 2008 &#8212; at least for the 2/3 of the season after Utley came back.</p>
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		<title>By: DaMannse</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaMannse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 18:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My concern, I guess, is that these guys are getting older.  The older they get the more likely a fall off in production is not a blip so much as a curve in the wrong direction.  Chooch is wonderful behind the plate.  But his power was down, and his post season was terrible.  Maybe that is a blip from which he rebounds.  Maybe it is just getting older and has had too many games behind the plate - a condition not likely to change in 2012 given his back up.  There just seems to be an awful lot of &quot;ifs&quot; that have to pan out for the Phillies to have a good year in 2012.

The thing is, there is a real possibility that this is going to be a more general trend.  Jimmy has been going down.  Utley has been going down.  Howard, even healthy, has been going down.  That does not make them bad because they were once the most feared at their positions in the game, and they may bounce back.  But if they do, that will mean bending the curve the other direction.  If they don&#039;t, the the Fish look better, 1 through 4, than the Phillies.

Remember last winter when we were all talking about having four 20 game winners?  The question is, Why didn&#039;t we have three?  Why only one, and barely at that?  Especially when every other team in our division was gutted by injuries.  I am not &quot;wowed&quot; by the number of wins we had last year; given our pitching, why weren&#039;t there more?  

I think the answer is the lineup.  The lineup that folded at the end of the regular season.  And for the 3rd year in a row, the post season.  

I just wanted Amaro to make the line up better.  He didn&#039;t.  Maybe all of the guys who have been down bend the curve the other direction, but that is an awfully large maybe.  Hunter Pence isn&#039;t good enough to make up for the individual curves continuing to bend down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My concern, I guess, is that these guys are getting older.  The older they get the more likely a fall off in production is not a blip so much as a curve in the wrong direction.  Chooch is wonderful behind the plate.  But his power was down, and his post season was terrible.  Maybe that is a blip from which he rebounds.  Maybe it is just getting older and has had too many games behind the plate &#8211; a condition not likely to change in 2012 given his back up.  There just seems to be an awful lot of &#8220;ifs&#8221; that have to pan out for the Phillies to have a good year in 2012.</p>
<p>The thing is, there is a real possibility that this is going to be a more general trend.  Jimmy has been going down.  Utley has been going down.  Howard, even healthy, has been going down.  That does not make them bad because they were once the most feared at their positions in the game, and they may bounce back.  But if they do, that will mean bending the curve the other direction.  If they don&#8217;t, the the Fish look better, 1 through 4, than the Phillies.</p>
<p>Remember last winter when we were all talking about having four 20 game winners?  The question is, Why didn&#8217;t we have three?  Why only one, and barely at that?  Especially when every other team in our division was gutted by injuries.  I am not &#8220;wowed&#8221; by the number of wins we had last year; given our pitching, why weren&#8217;t there more?  </p>
<p>I think the answer is the lineup.  The lineup that folded at the end of the regular season.  And for the 3rd year in a row, the post season.  </p>
<p>I just wanted Amaro to make the line up better.  He didn&#8217;t.  Maybe all of the guys who have been down bend the curve the other direction, but that is an awfully large maybe.  Hunter Pence isn&#8217;t good enough to make up for the individual curves continuing to bend down.</p>
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		<title>By: egrissom</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesflow.com/2012/01/12/power-purge/#comment-68193</link>
		<dc:creator>egrissom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not sure about DaMannse&#039;s thinking about Ruiz, but it&#039;s hard for me to see him as a hole or a potential hole.  His power was off last year over his two previous years, but it&#039;s tough to argue with the .371 on-base percentage.  Among NL players who got 150 plate appearances as a catcher, nobody posted a better on-base percentage.

His power was down, curiously especially against lefties.  He didn&#039;t hit a home run against lefties in all of 2011 and slugged just .337 against them.

He was undeniably miserable in the post-season elimination series against both the Cards and the Giants, going 4-for-35 with a 114/225/200 line in those two sets combined.  That&#039;s obviously a tiny number of chances and I&#039;m not sure there&#039;s much you can do about it.

I do hope we see his power return some in 2012.  Using isolated power as the measure, among the 29 NL players with at least 150 plate appearances as a catcher, his isolated power in 2009 was 7th best.  In 2010 he was 12th of 26.  Last year he was 19 of 27.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure about DaMannse&#8217;s thinking about Ruiz, but it&#8217;s hard for me to see him as a hole or a potential hole.  His power was off last year over his two previous years, but it&#8217;s tough to argue with the .371 on-base percentage.  Among NL players who got 150 plate appearances as a catcher, nobody posted a better on-base percentage.</p>
<p>His power was down, curiously especially against lefties.  He didn&#8217;t hit a home run against lefties in all of 2011 and slugged just .337 against them.</p>
<p>He was undeniably miserable in the post-season elimination series against both the Cards and the Giants, going 4-for-35 with a 114/225/200 line in those two sets combined.  That&#8217;s obviously a tiny number of chances and I&#8217;m not sure there&#8217;s much you can do about it.</p>
<p>I do hope we see his power return some in 2012.  Using isolated power as the measure, among the 29 NL players with at least 150 plate appearances as a catcher, his isolated power in 2009 was 7th best.  In 2010 he was 12th of 26.  Last year he was 19 of 27.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesflow.com/2012/01/12/power-purge/#comment-68189</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DM, why are you so down on Chooch?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DM, why are you so down on Chooch?</p>
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		<title>By: egrissom</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesflow.com/2012/01/12/power-purge/#comment-68187</link>
		<dc:creator>egrissom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And Mayberry.  Again, I don&#039;t think he&#039;s as good as he looked last year.  But if he is, giving him way more at-bats means a whole lot of offense.

Even if he isn&#039;t, replacing Ibanez in left gives them a big opportunity to create offense.  

Domonic Brown is still a guy with huge offensive potential.

I&#039;m excited to see what they do with Thome and how often, if ever, he gets on the field defensively at first.  The Phils also play nine DH games before June 18 this year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Mayberry.  Again, I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s as good as he looked last year.  But if he is, giving him way more at-bats means a whole lot of offense.</p>
<p>Even if he isn&#8217;t, replacing Ibanez in left gives them a big opportunity to create offense.  </p>
<p>Domonic Brown is still a guy with huge offensive potential.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m excited to see what they do with Thome and how often, if ever, he gets on the field defensively at first.  The Phils also play nine DH games before June 18 this year.</p>
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