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		<title>By: egrissom</title>
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		<dc:creator>egrissom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 13:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Polanco sure hasn&#039;t been driving anyone in ahead of Howard recently.

Totally agree about Hamels.  He was awesome, which is apparently what it&#039;s going to take to get the Phils a win these days.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polanco sure hasn&#8217;t been driving anyone in ahead of Howard recently.</p>
<p>Totally agree about Hamels.  He was awesome, which is apparently what it&#8217;s going to take to get the Phils a win these days.</p>
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		<title>By: DaMannse</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaMannse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 02:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hamels was AWESOME.  And apparently, Ryan Madsen can close.  Wow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hamels was AWESOME.  And apparently, Ryan Madsen can close.  Wow.</p>
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		<title>By: DaMannse</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaMannse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 01:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric, could it be that part of Howard&#039;s RBI production is because he does not have Utley in fron of him driving in some runs?

Sardina scares the dickens out of me.  Is he really the best we can do backing up?  Isn&#039;t there SOMEone in the minors who can at least make a tag at home?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, could it be that part of Howard&#8217;s RBI production is because he does not have Utley in fron of him driving in some runs?</p>
<p>Sardina scares the dickens out of me.  Is he really the best we can do backing up?  Isn&#8217;t there SOMEone in the minors who can at least make a tag at home?</p>
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		<title>By: egrissom</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesflow.com/2011/05/18/phils-whip-up-a-little-something-for-the-how-are-they-ever-going-to-go-on-a-losing-streak-with-that-rotation-crowd/#comment-54021</link>
		<dc:creator>egrissom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 19:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope you&#039;re right about Utley.  I&#039;m worried that he&#039;s not healthy and he&#039;s not going to be all year.  I&#039;d do what you suggested about the lineup when he comes back, but I&#039;m worried he comes back, gives it a few weeks and decides to have surgery.  Hope that doesn&#039;t happen.

I think as currently configured the Phils are counting on getting more from Howard than they&#039;re getting.  I think that might be a mistake, but if he keeps on-basing .331 it&#039;s going to be a problem.  He&#039;s on pace to hit 36 HR and drive in 138 RBI, but the Phillies need him to score runs, too.  He&#039;s on pace for 87 and the Phils need more.  A big part of that problem is the guys behind him, but .331 isn&#039;t helping.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you&#8217;re right about Utley.  I&#8217;m worried that he&#8217;s not healthy and he&#8217;s not going to be all year.  I&#8217;d do what you suggested about the lineup when he comes back, but I&#8217;m worried he comes back, gives it a few weeks and decides to have surgery.  Hope that doesn&#8217;t happen.</p>
<p>I think as currently configured the Phils are counting on getting more from Howard than they&#8217;re getting.  I think that might be a mistake, but if he keeps on-basing .331 it&#8217;s going to be a problem.  He&#8217;s on pace to hit 36 HR and drive in 138 RBI, but the Phillies need him to score runs, too.  He&#8217;s on pace for 87 and the Phils need more.  A big part of that problem is the guys behind him, but .331 isn&#8217;t helping.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 18:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my eyes, Howard is doing what he does.  hes on pace for 35 HR&#039;s and 130+ RBI&#039;s which is what he is supposed to do (should have 40+ HRs, I know).  We may all want him to do more but HR&#039;s and RBI&#039;s is what he does.  He&#039;s gonna K a lot, always has.  He&#039;s slow, always has been.  His D is better which is a bonus but he&#039;s the big guy in the middle who smashes the ball.  All pitchers know his weakness&#039;s and if there is no reason to risk a fastball, dont, esp a lefty.  put him on.  he cant move up a bag and wont go 1st to home on a hit even if the Phils do manage to get one.  Its taking two hits to score Howard and if I am the opposing manager, I take that chance against this group when you have Mayberry, Fransico, Valdez, Sardina, pitcher following him.  

Utley getting back is huge.  Having him take that 3 hole spot back and moving Polonco back to the 2 hole will be wonderful.  Keep Rollins up top and when Victorino is in there, have him down in the 6.  That instantly makes this lineup more crediable, no?

Injuries are tough, no doubt about it.  Here here for the cupcake schedule to get some cusion which they did quite nicely.  There were times when we all complained about the Phils playing poorly against teams they should beat.  Lets get it picked back up tonight and give Hamels some support and see if we cant get one from the Rocks.  Go Phils.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my eyes, Howard is doing what he does.  hes on pace for 35 HR&#8217;s and 130+ RBI&#8217;s which is what he is supposed to do (should have 40+ HRs, I know).  We may all want him to do more but HR&#8217;s and RBI&#8217;s is what he does.  He&#8217;s gonna K a lot, always has.  He&#8217;s slow, always has been.  His D is better which is a bonus but he&#8217;s the big guy in the middle who smashes the ball.  All pitchers know his weakness&#8217;s and if there is no reason to risk a fastball, dont, esp a lefty.  put him on.  he cant move up a bag and wont go 1st to home on a hit even if the Phils do manage to get one.  Its taking two hits to score Howard and if I am the opposing manager, I take that chance against this group when you have Mayberry, Fransico, Valdez, Sardina, pitcher following him.  </p>
<p>Utley getting back is huge.  Having him take that 3 hole spot back and moving Polonco back to the 2 hole will be wonderful.  Keep Rollins up top and when Victorino is in there, have him down in the 6.  That instantly makes this lineup more crediable, no?</p>
<p>Injuries are tough, no doubt about it.  Here here for the cupcake schedule to get some cusion which they did quite nicely.  There were times when we all complained about the Phils playing poorly against teams they should beat.  Lets get it picked back up tonight and give Hamels some support and see if we cant get one from the Rocks.  Go Phils.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesflow.com/2011/05/18/phils-whip-up-a-little-something-for-the-how-are-they-ever-going-to-go-on-a-losing-streak-with-that-rotation-crowd/#comment-54018</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 17:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the near-term production problem is injuries, I don&#039;t really see what position a person we trade for would play. Unless you&#039;re talking about moving Polanco?

We need to try Brown before we know if we should trade for outfield. I&#039;d like to see him play more or less full-time for about a month before we get to the trade deadline and see if we actually need something there.

I don&#039;t think you&#039;re going to find better fill-in pieces than the crew we have. We just need to not use so many fill-in pieces at once.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the near-term production problem is injuries, I don&#8217;t really see what position a person we trade for would play. Unless you&#8217;re talking about moving Polanco?</p>
<p>We need to try Brown before we know if we should trade for outfield. I&#8217;d like to see him play more or less full-time for about a month before we get to the trade deadline and see if we actually need something there.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re going to find better fill-in pieces than the crew we have. We just need to not use so many fill-in pieces at once.</p>
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		<title>By: egrissom</title>
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		<dc:creator>egrissom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 17:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As Manuel pointed out, a lineup with four guys who are marginal players (or, players trying to find their niche, as Manuel would say) in Valdez, Martinez, Sardinha and Mayberry is going to have problems. 

I think we&#039;re better off hoping that the players they have start playing better than that the Phils add new guys.  I think you can get a minor upgrade to the offense by replacing Orr/Martinez with slightly better players, but the real problem is less that than Rollins, Victorino, Howard, Ibanez, Francisco and Ruiz need to hit and they aren&#039;t.  I think you have to let Utley, Brown and the hitter the Phillies trade for surprise you if they contribute.  If Rollins, Victorino, Howard, Ibanez, Francisco and Ruiz don&#039;t do anything the Phils are going to struggle.  A lot.

I don&#039;t think lineup protection is the problem for Howard -- especially if he&#039;s going to go 0-for-4 with three strikeouts.  Not exactly like people are afraid to come after him.  150 is a lot of plate appearances in which to hit 208/300/431 when you&#039;re supposed to anchor the offense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Manuel pointed out, a lineup with four guys who are marginal players (or, players trying to find their niche, as Manuel would say) in Valdez, Martinez, Sardinha and Mayberry is going to have problems. </p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re better off hoping that the players they have start playing better than that the Phils add new guys.  I think you can get a minor upgrade to the offense by replacing Orr/Martinez with slightly better players, but the real problem is less that than Rollins, Victorino, Howard, Ibanez, Francisco and Ruiz need to hit and they aren&#8217;t.  I think you have to let Utley, Brown and the hitter the Phillies trade for surprise you if they contribute.  If Rollins, Victorino, Howard, Ibanez, Francisco and Ruiz don&#8217;t do anything the Phils are going to struggle.  A lot.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think lineup protection is the problem for Howard &#8212; especially if he&#8217;s going to go 0-for-4 with three strikeouts.  Not exactly like people are afraid to come after him.  150 is a lot of plate appearances in which to hit 208/300/431 when you&#8217;re supposed to anchor the offense.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any lineup that features 2 of 3 of Valdez, Martinez or Orr with one of them hitting in the 2 hole is a recipe for bad.  An outfield of Francisco, Mayberry, and Martinez is bad too.  Trade Mayberry for Ibanez and it somehow magically gets worse!  I&#039;m all for giving Mayberry a long look right now though, let&#039;s see what he can do when given regular at bats.

I say if Victorino is hurt, lets retro DL him and get Brown up here and give him 10 days or so of regular at bats.  Better yet, option 1 of the 3 mentioned above.  It&#039;s a better use of a roster space...

Oswalt sure looked good though and I was happy for that.  

No lineup protection for Howard and a lefty with a breaking ball on the mound will always spell 0-4 with 3 K&#039;s.  If Garcia walks him, who cares, no one behind him will bring him in so dont let him beat you with the long ball.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any lineup that features 2 of 3 of Valdez, Martinez or Orr with one of them hitting in the 2 hole is a recipe for bad.  An outfield of Francisco, Mayberry, and Martinez is bad too.  Trade Mayberry for Ibanez and it somehow magically gets worse!  I&#8217;m all for giving Mayberry a long look right now though, let&#8217;s see what he can do when given regular at bats.</p>
<p>I say if Victorino is hurt, lets retro DL him and get Brown up here and give him 10 days or so of regular at bats.  Better yet, option 1 of the 3 mentioned above.  It&#8217;s a better use of a roster space&#8230;</p>
<p>Oswalt sure looked good though and I was happy for that.  </p>
<p>No lineup protection for Howard and a lefty with a breaking ball on the mound will always spell 0-4 with 3 K&#8217;s.  If Garcia walks him, who cares, no one behind him will bring him in so dont let him beat you with the long ball.</p>
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		<title>By: egrissom</title>
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		<dc:creator>egrissom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 15:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that it would be nice to be able to hold on to Worley.  I think the Phillies are going to need to trade for some hitting before too long, though.  I think Blanton has very little value.  I&#039;m also going to be stunned if Utley comes back and can give the offense a big boost.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it would be nice to be able to hold on to Worley.  I think the Phillies are going to need to trade for some hitting before too long, though.  I think Blanton has very little value.  I&#8217;m also going to be stunned if Utley comes back and can give the offense a big boost.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 14:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know that thing were sometimes we wish the Phils would save some runs for later? Maybe that&#039;s what they&#039;re doing now.

Just saw the comments on the last post on the possibility of trading Worley. I think that would be a huge mistake. I didn&#039;t like trading Happ either, and Worley looks better than Happ so far. The Phour Aces aren&#039;t going to be able to go more than this year and, pending Oswalt, possibly next. Blanton hasn&#039;t looked good at all, and has health issues of his own. We already lost Drabek in the Halladay deal, and I understand he&#039;s doing pretty well on his own. Time to stop moving young pitching.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know that thing were sometimes we wish the Phils would save some runs for later? Maybe that&#8217;s what they&#8217;re doing now.</p>
<p>Just saw the comments on the last post on the possibility of trading Worley. I think that would be a huge mistake. I didn&#8217;t like trading Happ either, and Worley looks better than Happ so far. The Phour Aces aren&#8217;t going to be able to go more than this year and, pending Oswalt, possibly next. Blanton hasn&#8217;t looked good at all, and has health issues of his own. We already lost Drabek in the Halladay deal, and I understand he&#8217;s doing pretty well on his own. Time to stop moving young pitching.</p>
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