Quick — who allowed fewer runs per start in 2010, Cole Hamels or Roy Halladay?
I’m guessing Halladay is your answer. Or at least it would have been mine before I looked it up. But it’s a trick question. Both Halladay and Hamels made 33 starts for the Phils last season and each of them allowed 74 runs, which is 2.24 runs per game.
They didn’t have the same ERA, of course. It wasn’t close. Hamels 3.06 and Halladay 2.44. Hamels had a higher percentage of the runs he allowed go as earned runs (if all of the runs that both pitchers allowed were earned, Hamels would have thrown to a 3.19 ERA and Halladay a 2.65 ERA) but that’s not the biggest factor in accounting for the difference. As you surely know, the reason that Halladay’s ERA was so much better and Halladay’s year was so much better was that Halladay pitched way more innings. Halladay threw 250 2/3 innings in his 33 starts compared to 208 2/3 innings for Hamels in his 33 starts.
The 208 2/3 innings that Hamels threw is still a lot — only 13 pitches in the NL threw more than that in 2010. But it’s not 250 2/3. Nobody in the NL threw more than that in 2010. Nobody was close. Chris Carpenter finished second in the NL in innings pitched behind Halladay with 235.
There were 39 NL pitchers that made at least 30 starts in 2010. Of those 30, four of them (Halladay, Hamels, Oswalt and Kendrick) pitched at least part of the year for the Phillies. Of those four, Halladay and Oswalt threw an unusual high number of innings per start, Kendrick threw an unusually low number of innings per start and Hamels was in the middle.
| GS | IP/S | Rank IP/S among the 39 NL pitchers with at least 30 starts |
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| Halladay | 33 | 7.60 | 1 |
| Oswalt | 32 | 6.61 | 8 |
| Hamels | 33 | 6.32 | 17 |
| Kendrick | 33 | 5.83 | 36 |
Again, among the NL pitchers making at least 30 starts, Halladay and Oswalt had unusually high numbers in terms of innings per start, Hamels was in the middle of the pack and Kendrick was near the bottom.
In 2011, the Phils will presumably go into the season with Halladay, Oswalt, Hamels and Lee as their first four starters. How many innings might that save their bullpen is that group stays in the rotation for a full season?
Last year the Phillies threw a total of 1,456 1/3 innings. The starters combined to throw 1,035 1/3 innings and the pen threw 421 innings. The starters on the 2010 Phillies that weren’t Halladay, Oswalt or Hamels threw an average of 5.88 innings per game.
The table below looks at how many innings the rotation and pen might throw in 2011 if
- The Phillies overall (starters and relievers combined) threw the same 1,456 1/3 innings in 2011 as they did in 2010.
- Halladay, Hamels and Oswalt all threw the same number of innings per start in 2011 as they did in 2010.
- Lee threw the same 6.44 innings per start in 2011 as he has over his career (206 of his 218 career starts have come in the AL — in his 12 career NL starts he has thrown 6.64 innings per start).
- The Phillies starting pitchers who aren’t Halladay, Hamels, Oswalt and Lee will throw the same 5.88 innings per start in 2011 that they did in 2010.
| IP/S | IP 25 Starts | IP 30 Starts | IP 32 Starts | IP 35 Starts | |
| Halladay | 7.60 | 190 | 228 | 243.2 | 266 |
| Oswalt | 6.61 | 165.3 | 198.3 | 211.5 | 231.4 |
| Hamels | 6.32 | 158 | 189.6 | 202.2 | 221.2 |
| Lee | 6.44 | 161 | 193.2 | 206.1 | 225.4 |
| Total for four |
674.3 | 809.1 | 863 | 944 | |
| Starts by other SP |
62 | 42 | 34 | 22 | |
| IP by other SP |
364.6 | 247 | 199.9 | 129.4 | |
| Total IP by SP |
1038.8 | 1056.1 | 1063 | 1073.3 | |
| Total IP by pen |
417.5 | 400.3 | 393.4 | 383 |
So, for example, the table above suggests that if each of Halladay, Hamels, Oswalt and Lee made 32 starts in 2011 at the rates defined above, they would combine to throw 863 innings over those 128 starts. The other 34 starts would be made by other pitchers, who would throw 200 innings. That would give the rotation 1,063 total innings pitched and would leave about 393 1/3 innings to be pitched by the bullpen if the staff overall was going to throw the same 1,456 1/3 innings in 2011 they threw in 2010.
Last year, the Phillies starters overall threw 6.39 innings per start. That means Hamels was below the team average at 6.32 and Lee, had he actually made starts for the Phils in 2010 and thrown 6.44 innings per start, would have been very close to the team average. While Lee may have thrown 6.44 innings per start over his career, his numbers over the past three years are way up from that. Over the past three seasons, Lee has made 93 starts in which he has thrown about 7.18 innings per start. In 2010, he made 13 starts for Seattle and threw 103 2/3 innings on a team that would wind up going 61-101 . That’s a ridiculous 7.97 innings per start. It sounds like the kind of thing that might not even be that good for you.
The difference between 7.18 innings per start and 6.44 innings per start is a lot of innings (a little more than 22 over 30 starts). Even the difference between Lee’s 6.64 innings per start (what he threw in his 12 starts with the Phillies in ’09) and his career mark of 6.44 innings per start adds up. If you replace the 6.44 innings per start for Lee with 6.64 , the TOTAL IP BY PEN numbers at the bottom of the table would switch from 417.5, 400.3, 393.4, 383 to 412.5, 394.3, 387 and 376.
Also important to consider is that while it’s true that the non-Halladay/Hamels/Oswalt starters for the Phils in 2010 combined to throw 5.88 innings per start in 2010, they could easily throw fewer than that in 2011. Blanton was the guy outside of the big three who made the most starts and he went pretty deep into games, throwing 174 2/3 innings over 28 starts or 6.24 innings per game. That inflates the number for the group. By comparison, the group of Kendrick, Happ, Figueroa and Worley combined to make 37 starts in which they threw an average of 5.62 innings per game.
The deal with Dennys Reyes fell through and this article says that JC Romero is still hoping to come back to the Phillies.

December 21st, 2010 on 6:25 pm
It will be interesting to see what the Phillies do with the bullpen. It seems that the powers that be are up against it as far as the budget goes, and if that is so, then joining this bullpen means one of two things: be just up from the minors, OR be inexpensive. REALLY inexpensive. JC, are ya listening? Are you ready to pitch for a half million?
I have a hard time imagining Blanton back here, and I cannot wait to see who they get for him. Hopefully more than they got for Lee. (yeah, I am being serious here. LOTS of teams need good guys who can eat innings… and 8.5 million is not expensive)
And somewhere down deep in the reptillian part of my brain, i think Amaro has another surprise or two in store. I am not sure that means it/they will be happy ones, but Amaro is too aggressive to be done making moves in December.
December 21st, 2010 on 7:55 pm
Do you have any idea how Halliday’s pitch count compares to Hamel’s and other pitchers in the league. He threw so many innings in part because he was so efficient.
Isn’t pitch count a better reflection of actual workload than innings pitched?
December 21st, 2010 on 8:30 pm
I think that’s a really good point about Halladay. He threw just 14.23 pitches per inning, which was the best mark of any pitcher on the Phils in 2010. Hamels threw 16.14.
On Blanton, I would guess he does not have much trade value right now. I think it might shoot up dramatically were he to start the season with a couple of good starts. If the Phillies don’t trade him, I think they would benefit by having a fifth starter who goes much deeper into games than other team’s fifth starters are able to. But I think they will trade him, it’s just a question of when.
December 22nd, 2010 on 8:18 am
Blanton’s IP / Start can’t have been much better than Kendrick’s. It always seemed like it was the 6th innning when the wheels starting falling off the wagon.
December 22nd, 2010 on 9:35 am
That’s actually the way I remember it as well, but Blanton’s numbers are better. Kendrick made 31 starts and threw 177 2/3 innings in them (5.73 per start). Blanton made 28 starts and threw 174 2/3 (6.24).
Blanton did go deeper into the games later in the season. In his last five starts he went 6.47 innings per game. Between 6/24 and 8/6 he made 9 starts and went 6.67 innings per start.
Kendrick didn’t get an out in the sixth inning in five of his first ten starts on the year (and four of his first five starts on the season). After getting hammered in four of his first five starts, Kendrick had a 7.61 ERA on the season and had thrown just 23 2/3 innings over five starts. Of those, eight came in his one good start of the five.
December 22nd, 2010 on 10:41 am
Ah, yes. Sometimes Joe would get 3 hard hit outs in the 6th, and Charlie would leave him in.
Do you have numbers of % of starts > 6 innings? And more interestingly, how those break down into Quality Starts and Late Hooks?
December 22nd, 2010 on 1:24 pm
I think it’s Kendrick 31 starts, 12 times more than six innings (38.7%) and 11 of those were quality starts.
Blanton 28 starts, 14 times more than six innings (50%) and 11 of those were quality starts.
Kendrick had two quick hooks on the year, Blanton had zero.
Two slow hooks for Kendrick, one for Blanton. One of Kendrick’s was rather bogus. On 7/3, he threw a complete game against the Pirates and allowed four runs, only three of which were earned. That counts as a slow hook using the definitions of quick and slow hooks found here
http://hosted.stats.com/mlb/stats.asp?file=glossary
December 22nd, 2010 on 3:15 pm
Hasn’t Blanton historically been better than he was last year? And weren’t a lot of his poor numbers last year related to injury or recovering from the same? I seem to remember that he did get better towards the end. If these things are true, and all I have is a faulty memory on this score, maybe there is a chance he will fetch somethign worthwhile. I hope so anyway.
December 22nd, 2010 on 3:47 pm
Yeah, I think the chances of Blanton being better than he was last year are pretty high. On the other side of that coin, I think we’ve seen the best of Kendrick. Trading Blanton now seems to be selling pretty low.
December 22nd, 2010 on 5:42 pm
If we have seen the best of Kendrick, I am sorry. He seems like a good kid, and a competitor.
What does everyone think about the market for Kendrick? Is he someone that other GMs look at and think that their system will make this kid what the Phillies’ system so far has not?
December 23rd, 2010 on 8:45 am
Funny how the numbers don’t quite match the memories. Maybe I’m thinking of Joe getting pulled with 1 out and 2 on in the 6th, and the bullpen bailing him out. Not sure.
I’m not sure how much Kendrick was ever considered a “prospect”, so I don’t know if he’d be a reclamation project either. Maybe someone who intends to contend and needs some depth. Like the Yankees. (Petite has told team to act as though he’s retired, though he’s not 100% in that decision.)
December 23rd, 2010 on 5:13 pm
I am not too good at this, but here is a lead to a blog that talks about Blanton being traded.
http://zozone.mlblogs.com/
December 23rd, 2010 on 6:29 pm
MLB is commenting that Blanton ought to be relatively easy to move. Oh well. should be interesting.
December 27th, 2010 on 5:23 pm
It’s Monday night and apparently Romero has agree to terms, reportedly between 1 and 2 million. This i spending a physical of course.
December 28th, 2010 on 9:27 am
I’m not surprised on Romero, but a little disappointed. I really think that his walk rate is too high for him to be counted on. I still think there’s hope that Bastardo can contribute significantly as a lefty out of the pen this year.
December 28th, 2010 on 10:29 am
I guess we needed someone to regress our K:BB to the mean..
December 28th, 2010 on 11:02 am
Way to look at the bright side Jim.
December 28th, 2010 on 11:29 am
I kinda believe that Romero can still get lefties out, or at least isn’t terrible at it. But. In 2010, righties on-based .452 against him. In 2009, he threw less than 20 innings, but lefties on-based .438 against him. In 2008, righties on-based .444 against him. So it seems like there’s some room for improvement. He has done a good job keeping lefties in the park, they’re slugging just .292 against him for his career.
December 28th, 2010 on 5:18 pm
The walks are really outrageous, aren’t they. Kind of means that they did not have a lot of options (affordable, that is).
Bastardo needs to be good this year.