Remember this from last week?
| Starts | Team RA | Team RA per start |
Games not started |
Team RA those games |
Team RA per game not started |
|
| Hamels | 33 | 117 | 3.55 | 129 | 523 | 4.05 |
| Halladay | 33 | 90 | 2.73 | 129 | 550 | 4.26 |
| Oswalt | 12 | 25 | 2.08 | 150 | 615 | 4.10 |
| Kendrick | 31 | 148 | 4.77 | 131 | 492 | 3.76 |
| Blanton | 28 | 150 | 5.36 | 134 | 490 | 3.66 |
| Moyer | 19 | 91 | 4.79 | 143 | 549 | 3.84 |
| Others | 6 | 19 | 3.17 | 156 | 621 | 3.98 |
| Total | 162 | 640 | 3.95 |
Here’s another way to look at it, dividing the games up into those in which Kendrick, Blanton or Moyer started and the games in which they didn’t:
| # | PHI runs allowed per game |
|
| Games started by Blanton, Kendrick, Moyer |
78 | 4.99 |
| Games not started by Blanton, Kendrick or Moyer |
84 | 2.99 |
One thing that’s a lock at this point is that Blanton, Kendrick and Moyer won’t be combining to make 78 starts this season. Even if Blanton is with the team on opening day, he’s coming off the worst year of his career and a good candidate to get a lot better in 2011. In 2010, he allowed 5.33 runs per nine innings for the Phils. In 2008 and 2009, he allowed 125 runs in 266 innings, which is about 4.23 runs per nine innings. In 2009, Blanton made 31 starts in which he threw to a 4.05 ERA and the Phillies allowed 4.42 runs per game in those starts.
If Blanton made 31 starts for the Phillies next year, the difference between the team allowing 5.36 runs per game in those starts (like they did in 2010) or 4.42 (like they did in 2009) is about 0.94 runs per game. That’s more than 29 runs over 31 starts.
The point there is that, either with Blanton or with someone else getting Blanton’s starts in ’11, the Phillies should be able to improve on his 2010 production without much problem and should benefit significantly by doing so.
The games not started by Blanton, Kendrick or Moyer were started by a rather impressive group of pitchers. Halladay, Hamels and Oswalt combined to make 78 starts. The other six went to Happ (three), Worley (two) and Figueroa (one).
That group looks like it’s only going to get more impressive with the addition of Cliff Lee. The bad news on that front is that even with the addition of Lee, the Phils aren’t going to allow 2.99 runs per game in 2011 or anywhere close, even in the games started by Halladay, Lee, Oswalt and Hamels.
Last year Hamels and Halladay combined to make 78 starts in which they threw to a 2.56 ERA over 541 innings. They were great. They’re probably going to be great again, but not that great, mostly because Oswalt’s starts for the Phillies in 2010 were absurdly good. After allowing five runs in six innings against the Nationals in his first start with the Phils, Oswalt threw to a 1.31 ERA over his last eleven starts with the team and ended the year with a 1.74 ERA with the Phils. Of the four members of the quartet, though, none of them has a career ERA near 2.56 and it’s unreasonable to assume they would throw to a 2.56 ERA as a group next year or that the Phillies would allow 2.99 runs per game in the games they started, much less the games they started plus the starts by next year’s Worley, Happs and Figueroas. Of the four big starters for the Phils, Oswalt has the best career ERA at 3.18. Hamels is at 3.53. Lee and Halladay have both spent much of their careers in the American League — Halladay has a career 3.32 ERA and Lee a career 3.85 ERA.


December 15th, 2010 on 10:31 am
Various writers for the Daily News were providing some perspective in today’s paper. For whatever those things are worth, here they are for us to consider as we work feverishly on our parade floats.
Perspective: Hamels, Oswalt, and Lee were a combined 37-33 in 2010. That is an average record of 12-11. Kyle Kendrick was 11-10.
Perspective. Of the last five teams whose four starters all won at least 15 games (1993 Braves, 1998 Braves, 2001 Mariners, 2003 Yankees, 2004 Cardinals), the fewest season wins among them was 101, the most 116 (the ’01 Mariners). None of them won the World Series.
Perspective, Phillies fans. Since 1990, there have been six other teams whose four full time starters all had ERAs under below 3.50. None of them won the World Series.
December 15th, 2010 on 10:40 am
I think if the Phillies go into the season with Hallady, Hamels, Oswalt and Lee in the rotation, those guys all stay healthy all year and the Phils get 550 PA from all of Utley, Howard, Ibanez, Victorino, Polanco and Ruiz, I’d guess they win at least 100 regular season games in 2011. Not as sure that they’re going to win the World Series, cause anything can happen in a small number of games.
December 15th, 2010 on 10:44 am
I still think they should raise the outfield fence by about 20 feet.
Unless we want to assume balls out of Vic’s range are home runs anyway, whether Ibanez and Gload can get them off the wall or just cross over.
December 15th, 2010 on 12:15 pm
Found it interesting that Lee is going to wear 33. He had 34 back when he was here the first time but some other dude has it now.. haha
December 15th, 2010 on 2:23 pm
Remember also, the odds the bats (arguably) underperform at the same levels they did in 2010 – even without Werth – are probably pretty slim. Supreme confidence!
Chutley and Piece’ll combine for about 80 hr/300 rbi, we’re all good.
December 15th, 2010 on 3:03 pm
Yeah. I’m just trying to figure out how many teams are going to quit before the season even starts. If it’s all of them and they have rebroadcast The Jeffersons reruns instead of the 2011 season, it might be a little embarrassing for the league.
December 15th, 2010 on 3:19 pm
I think the Mets have already quit for next year. I haven’t heard anything about any other teams yet.
If Chutley and Piece go 80/300 and the big four combine for more than 100 starts, I like the team’s chances to win 100+ games.
The real question is which one of these guys comes out of the bullpen in the playoffs?
December 15th, 2010 on 3:36 pm
Far too early to talk about playoffs.. lots of things can happen in a season that don’t show up on paper.
That said.. Oswalt is, I believe, the least likely of the 3 to throw a complete game, and so would be the guy out of the pen in a short series. In a 7-game series, they all get their 1-2 starts.
December 15th, 2010 on 3:37 pm
Did I say 3? Wow. 4.
I’ll remember that if we say “Four Horsemen” instead of “Big 4″ (sounds like “Big 3″).
December 15th, 2010 on 3:43 pm
I bet the Nats do not quit. Jaysen will not let them. and they are clearly building something there, or trying to.
Having said that, I am not worried. lol
December 15th, 2010 on 3:58 pm
Quite honestly, the thing I’m most worried about is the bats mailing it in as opposed to just sucking up the joint.
“Oh hey, best pitcher in the world is pitching for the 4th straight game, let’s take the night off again, guys.”
I’d like to think this won’t happen but…Philadelphia. My hope and belief is that the “Get Me to the Plate, Boys Lumber Co.” was so thoroughly emasculated by last year’s relative ineffectiveness that everyone gets some kind of awesome extra competitive gear to kick into and not get caught so much looking at strike three for the last out of the NLCS.
Never forget.
December 15th, 2010 on 4:47 pm
The verbose Joe Posnanski puts the Phils rotation in historical context. Great read.
http://joeposnanski.si.com/2010/12/14/great-four-man-rotations-wbill-james/
December 15th, 2010 on 4:51 pm
Yeah, Roger, I think you have a legitimate concern. I can only hope that Utley, Howard and especially Rollins feel like they have something to prove, because they do. These guys do have pride. There were no All Star slots for them last year, and a number of other players seemed to step ahead of all three of them. No one really seemed to be afraid of Howard any more. Rollins did not stir anyone’s drink. Chase was a post-season bust. When the bright lights went on, they disappeared.
They cannot be happy with their performamces in ’10. They have to be reading the occasional piece about their aging and windows closing and so forth. Even their own GM has talked about the Phillies “having to get younger”. And Rollins is playing for a contract that may very well end up being for less than that which he is playing for now unless he gets himself right side up again. I think that these guys all have something personal at stake this year. Reputations need to be supported by performance. They have to know that in 2010 they did not perform up to the reputations that they have enjoyed.
One hopes that they will not be sanguine about their own performance in 2011. One can only hope that they do not justify your fears.
December 16th, 2010 on 5:49 pm
You know? I am not feeling one bit less happy today than I was feeling yesterday. FIFTY NINE days until pitchers and catchers. But who the hell is counting.
December 16th, 2010 on 5:50 pm
BTW: speaking of catchers… do you think Chooch feels like he died and went to heaven?
December 16th, 2010 on 9:50 pm
He must. Should be good for his catcher’s ERA and whatnot. 59 days seems like too long. Maybe we can get ‘em to start in January this year.
December 17th, 2010 on 9:17 am
“Perspective: Hamels, Oswalt, and Lee were a combined 37-33 in 2010. That is an average record of 12-11. Kyle Kendrick was 11-10.”
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Not sure what this has to do with the price of tea in China, given that Oswalt’s first half was on the Astros, before they started playing well, and Lee’s first half was on the Mariners, one of the worst offensive teams in modern history. And, as has been covered ad nauseam, Hamels got not run support.
If the point is that having these four is no guarantee of anything, obviously that’s true, and it’s even possible they could wind up with .500 records again, due to injuries, or no run support, or whatever. But I think a lot of things would have to go pear-shaped for that to happen, and it’s an extremely remote possibility.
December 17th, 2010 on 10:49 am
Exactly. Hamels got no run support. From the same guys who will be behind him again this year. And with an offensive team that is missing one of last year’s supposedly key offensive players in Werth. Honestly, I think the offense went pear shaped last year, and I think that Utley, Howard, Rollins, Victorino, and Ibanez need to show up and prove that they are NOT still pear shaped. If they do, the Four Horsemen could well end up #1 through #4 in the Cy Young balloting. Without Werth, and assuming that Ruiz may not be quite the offensive force that he was during last year’s career year, I think that pear shaped is a real possibility. Likely? No. But the offense has something to prove. It has a lot to prove.
December 17th, 2010 on 10:54 am
Let’s not forget, 2nd in the NL in scoring (granted, with Werth) Not bad for pear-shaped.
December 17th, 2010 on 11:00 am
I actually think that if the Phils have a rotation that includes those four guys and all four stay healthy all year, Utley/Howard/Rollins/Ibanez can reproduce their 2010 and it will still be enough to get the Phils a ton of wins and put them in the playoffs.
The Phils were still the second-highest scoring team in the league last season. They can fall, of course, with the loss of Werth even if those guys redo 2010. Even with that I’m not sure how far they can fall that the pitching won’t be able to make up for. If Utley/Howard/Ibanez and Rollins all redo 2010, the Phils still shouldn’t have much problem staying the top half of offenses in the league if they can get any kind of production at all from Ruiz/Polanco/Victorino and right field.
December 17th, 2010 on 11:01 am
Sorry, schmenkman, was making the same point about 2nd in the NL in runs scored last year before I saw your comment.
December 17th, 2010 on 11:30 am
Yup. Second in runs. Now, how did they rank in the number of games with 3 or fewer runs? I think I remember that there were 78 such games. How about being shut out? A stunning number of times as I recollect. Was it over 20? When what is supposed to be a hot shot offense does that, that is what I call pear shaped.
I am not impressed by their being second in runs. Nor is “making the playoffs” the goal (if that is all they do, this team will have failed worse than Kansas City or Pittsburgh will this coming year). They can put up bodacious numbers, yes. They can be terrifying. But if it is going to be boom and a LOT of bust, that ranking in runs scored is not nearly as good an indicator of how they will do. The Four Aces do not need ten runs scored in one game and none scored in the next two. They need consistent scoring; even they cannot win many of those 78 games with 3 or fewer runs. Last year the offense (and thus the team) failed because they flailed, not because they could put up ten runs.
December 17th, 2010 on 11:44 am
Point taken about consistency, although I’m not sure how you fix that. “Stop scoring today boys, save’em for tomorrow.”
By “flailed” I assume you don’t mean striking out, since they had the 2nd lowest K rate in terms of PAs per K. You must mean that they looked helpless at times, which is certainly true.
December 17th, 2010 on 12:37 pm
Yup. The helpless factor needs somehow to be addressed. It is weird to watch a whole line up go silent, not just for a few games, but for weeks on end. weird.
And nope. I have no idea how. But it cost the last hitting coach his job. There are some folks with skin in THIS game.
December 17th, 2010 on 5:33 pm
Oh. And incidentally of course, it cost the team and the city another trip to the Series.
December 17th, 2010 on 10:11 pm
The Giants did contribute to that. The Phils weren’t hitting much already, and they ran into a team with a very good staff, and with Cody F. Ross et al playing over their heads. That’s unfortunate and it sucks, but so it goes.