In recent posts I’ve suggested that the sluggishness of the offense had to do with the problems the team had hitting right-handed pitching this season. You can also look at it as a problem with the offensive production in the infield.
As I mentioned before, the Phillies catchers, led by Carlos Ruiz, were very good offensively last year as the Phils posted the second-best OPS at the position overall.
So the problem isn’t with the catchers.
It’s not in the outfield, either. It might be in 2011 if Werth leaves, but it wasn’t in 2010.
That doesn’t leave a whole lot left.
The table below shows what the players playing at the four infield positions, first, second, third and short, combined to do in 2010 compared the players at the same positions for the other NL teams. The teams are ordered by OPS.
| 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS | |
| Cincinnati | 163 | 10 | 89 | 352 | 0.287 | 0.355 | 0.462 | 0.817 |
| Florida | 145 | 11 | 87 | 378 | 0.277 | 0.347 | 0.448 | 0.795 |
| Arizona | 136 | 23 | 102 | 339 | 0.254 | 0.332 | 0.450 | 0.781 |
| Milwaukee | 120 | 16 | 88 | 327 | 0.263 | 0.349 | 0.428 | 0.777 |
| Washington | 128 | 12 | 85 | 315 | 0.272 | 0.339 | 0.436 | 0.776 |
| Colorado | 116 | 13 | 74 | 336 | 0.271 | 0.350 | 0.420 | 0.771 |
| Atlanta | 145 | 9 | 67 | 334 | 0.275 | 0.349 | 0.419 | 0.768 |
| San Francisco | 135 | 13 | 66 | 307 | 0.274 | 0.334 | 0.418 | 0.752 |
| Philadelphia | 115 | 15 | 72 | 340 | 0.268 | 0.336 | 0.410 | 0.745 |
| NY Mets | 129 | 20 | 64 | 290 | 0.257 | 0.329 | 0.405 | 0.734 |
| St. Louis | 114 | 9 | 63 | 301 | 0.264 | 0.336 | 0.396 | 0.732 |
| San Diego | 114 | 8 | 63 | 292 | 0.267 | 0.336 | 0.393 | 0.730 |
| Chicago Cubs | 127 | 13 | 55 | 271 | 0.269 | 0.325 | 0.395 | 0.720 |
| LA Dodgers | 133 | 16 | 41 | 273 | 0.263 | 0.336 | 0.382 | 0.718 |
| Pittsburgh | 135 | 11 | 60 | 274 | 0.246 | 0.303 | 0.386 | 0.688 |
| Houston | 118 | 10 | 42 | 273 | 0.254 | 0.313 | 0.364 | 0.677 |
By OPS, the Phillies’s infielders were ninth-best offensively in the NL in 2010. The Phils were in the middle of the pack or worse in average (eighth), on-base percentage (tenth) and slugging (ninth) by their infielders. Only the Cardinals and Padres saw their infielders hit fewer doubles than the Phils this season.
Ninth-best offensively in the league isn’t what the Phillies are looking for. Wilson Valdez’s 363 plate appearances on the year (353 of which came as an infielder) are part of the problem, but not all of it. The team is built around the very reasonable belief that Utley and Howard are elite offensive players and they weren’t in 2010.
The outfielders, on the other hand, were just fine.
| 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS | |
| St. Louis | 128 | 9 | 71 | 265 | 0.288 | 0.358 | 0.478 | 0.835 |
| Colorado | 106 | 32 | 71 | 261 | 0.283 | 0.348 | 0.481 | 0.828 |
| Philadelphia | 120 | 17 | 70 | 274 | 0.277 | 0.351 | 0.470 | 0.821 |
| Milwaukee | 124 | 12 | 70 | 273 | 0.280 | 0.337 | 0.463 | 0.800 |
| Chicago Cubs | 122 | 12 | 67 | 253 | 0.266 | 0.334 | 0.450 | 0.784 |
| Cincinnati | 84 | 16 | 72 | 257 | 0.265 | 0.332 | 0.445 | 0.777 |
| LA Dodgers | 102 | 13 | 66 | 255 | 0.266 | 0.327 | 0.437 | 0.765 |
| San Francisco | 111 | 14 | 68 | 235 | 0.253 | 0.328 | 0.437 | 0.764 |
| Pittsburgh | 104 | 13 | 42 | 194 | 0.273 | 0.339 | 0.411 | 0.750 |
| Arizona | 106 | 9 | 54 | 232 | 0.259 | 0.333 | 0.416 | 0.749 |
| Florida | 100 | 18 | 49 | 201 | 0.260 | 0.329 | 0.410 | 0.739 |
| Atlanta | 103 | 13 | 40 | 208 | 0.250 | 0.338 | 0.389 | 0.728 |
| Washington | 72 | 17 | 52 | 197 | 0.244 | 0.329 | 0.390 | 0.720 |
| NY Mets | 92 | 19 | 41 | 222 | 0.258 | 0.324 | 0.395 | 0.718 |
| Houston | 93 | 12 | 51 | 217 | 0.261 | 0.317 | 0.401 | 0.718 |
| San Diego | 70 | 13 | 44 | 207 | 0.232 | 0.316 | 0.362 | 0.678 |
By OPS, the guys playing the outfield positions were third-best in the NL last season. Only two NL teams got more home runs from their outfielders and the Reds and the Rockies both hit just one more than the 70 for the Phils. The Phillies got 274 RBI from their guys playing the outfield, which was the most in the league. Only the Cards had a better on-base percentage.
It wasn’t too long ago that the Phils were among the best offensive teams in both the infield and the outfield.
Here, for example, is how the numbers looked for the infielders in 2007:
| 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS | |
| Florida | 180 | 18 | 114 | 381 | 0.290 | 0.361 | 0.505 | 0.866 |
| Milwaukee | 133 | 18 | 134 | 382 | 0.274 | 0.357 | 0.503 | 0.861 |
| Philadelphia | 156 | 28 | 112 | 418 | 0.287 | 0.363 | 0.497 | 0.860 |
| Atlanta | 162 | 17 | 91 | 359 | 0.295 | 0.368 | 0.478 | 0.846 |
| NY Mets | 140 | 16 | 86 | 336 | 0.285 | 0.365 | 0.454 | 0.818 |
| Colorado | 150 | 16 | 74 | 375 | 0.289 | 0.368 | 0.447 | 0.815 |
| Cincinnati | 150 | 13 | 86 | 353 | 0.288 | 0.347 | 0.457 | 0.804 |
| Chicago Cubs | 157 | 14 | 65 | 326 | 0.289 | 0.355 | 0.440 | 0.795 |
| Arizona | 137 | 22 | 70 | 317 | 0.267 | 0.345 | 0.427 | 0.772 |
| Washington | 156 | 20 | 61 | 296 | 0.279 | 0.340 | 0.424 | 0.764 |
| St. Louis | 126 | 7 | 55 | 269 | 0.284 | 0.352 | 0.408 | 0.760 |
| San Diego | 159 | 12 | 91 | 349 | 0.259 | 0.320 | 0.438 | 0.758 |
| Pittsburgh | 173 | 14 | 55 | 320 | 0.278 | 0.334 | 0.422 | 0.757 |
| LA Dodgers | 127 | 13 | 62 | 344 | 0.276 | 0.338 | 0.410 | 0.748 |
| Houston | 130 | 10 | 70 | 303 | 0.266 | 0.339 | 0.407 | 0.746 |
| San Francisco | 128 | 13 | 52 | 290 | 0.249 | 0.310 | 0.374 | 0.684 |
So, by OPS, in 2010 there were only seven teams that got less production from their infield. As recently as 2007, there were only two teams that got more, and the two that did, the Brewers and the Fish, only did so by a tiny margin. Back in 2007, the guys playing the infield for the Phils combined to hit 112 home runs and drive in a league-high 418 runs. In 2010, Phillies infielders combined to hit 72 home runs and drove in 340 runs.
The outfielders were also slightly better relative to the rest of the league, but the difference wasn’t nearly as dramatic. Here’s what the outfield numbers for 2007 look like:
| 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS | |
| Colorado | 117 | 14 | 81 | 330 | 0.309 | 0.379 | 0.508 | 0.887 |
| Philadelphia | 113 | 11 | 76 | 277 | 0.290 | 0.379 | 0.480 | 0.859 |
| Cincinnati | 94 | 10 | 91 | 276 | 0.277 | 0.364 | 0.482 | 0.845 |
| Houston | 125 | 16 | 80 | 302 | 0.283 | 0.346 | 0.490 | 0.836 |
| NY Mets | 108 | 7 | 67 | 281 | 0.288 | 0.347 | 0.460 | 0.806 |
| Chicago Cubs | 129 | 13 | 62 | 258 | 0.285 | 0.341 | 0.461 | 0.802 |
| San Francisco | 97 | 18 | 50 | 200 | 0.277 | 0.367 | 0.429 | 0.796 |
| Milwaukee | 125 | 15 | 70 | 268 | 0.268 | 0.327 | 0.462 | 0.789 |
| Florida | 110 | 10 | 57 | 241 | 0.267 | 0.343 | 0.430 | 0.773 |
| St. Louis | 102 | 6 | 68 | 284 | 0.271 | 0.333 | 0.438 | 0.771 |
| Pittsburgh | 102 | 14 | 65 | 243 | 0.264 | 0.335 | 0.436 | 0.771 |
| San Diego | 99 | 15 | 68 | 234 | 0.254 | 0.339 | 0.429 | 0.769 |
| LA Dodgers | 96 | 17 | 35 | 211 | 0.293 | 0.348 | 0.415 | 0.763 |
| Atlanta | 108 | 10 | 59 | 276 | 0.269 | 0.332 | 0.430 | 0.762 |
| Arizona | 102 | 16 | 62 | 213 | 0.249 | 0.316 | 0.420 | 0.736 |
| Washington | 109 | 7 | 46 | 219 | 0.256 | 0.332 | 0.400 | 0.732 |
The Phillies claimed 22-year-old infielder Carlos Rivero off of waivers from the Indians. Rivero has played shortstop almost exclusively in the minors and put up a 255/315/361 line over 2,156 plate appearances.


November 4th, 2010 on 2:00 pm
At the risk of repeating myself, this post seems to underscore with evidence what I said as opinion at the beginning of the playoffs this year. I said that the REAL “Big Three” on the Phillies is NOT Halliday/Hamels/Oswalt, but instead is Rollins/Utley/Howard. This team rises and falls with those three guys. I am not sure it will ever really matter what the pitching staff does, or anyone else for that matter, because this team is built around the three infield guys from short around to first. When and if those guys do not perform, this team will not win.
Yes, I know that we will miss Werth and that Polanco could be better and that last year before the break Ibanez was incandescent. I know that last year in the post season the pitching did not hold up. I get it that World Series are won by teams. But this team is built around MY version of the so called Big Three. If they are what we have seen them be, then this team will be able to win with average production elsewhere. But if they are not productive, as this post suggests, then this team is in a wide world of hurt, pitching or no pitching, and regardless of who is in right field or on the mound.
November 4th, 2010 on 5:13 pm
But they weren’t productive this year, and the Phillies won 97 games.
November 4th, 2010 on 2:58 pm
Agree, DM.. yet SF won the WS with the less theoretical offense than the underperforming Phils, and equal or lower theoretical pitching. Maybe it’s time to acknowledge we won’t be winning 19-run games anymore, but we will still win games?
Some of it is bench, as well. Valdez is great to have defensively, but we need someone who can plug an infield hole and not be outperformed by pitchers when the occasion calls for it. Like Dobbs, when he was playing well. Is Bocock that guy, or do we need to look outside?
November 4th, 2010 on 3:24 pm
For whatever reason, I think the Bocock era is over in Philly after the signing of this Rivero kid. The numbers are fairly similar between the two (and Freddy Galvis as well) so there isn’t really much of a need to keep them all.
Not sure what to make of this post. Agreed that 350+ PA’s from Valdez can surely skew the numbers, but just looking at Utley, Rollins, and Howard’s numbers you can tell they aren’t as good. Seeing as how they are all on the wrong side of 30, I don’t know how they will get back to 2007 levels.
November 4th, 2010 on 3:55 pm
I hope Howard does get back to better than this year because we have an awful lot of money being sent to him over the next several years.
November 4th, 2010 on 4:38 pm
Howard missed quite a bit of time this year.. how does his HR / PA for 2010 compare to 2009?
November 4th, 2010 on 7:07 pm
Oh, and Greg.. a .230 AA batting average is not exactly what I’m looking for in an offense-capable backup infielder
November 5th, 2010 on 9:09 am
I think there’s about zero chance that Bocock or Rivero can help the Phillies.
The point that the Phillies won the most games in baseball this year is a good one. Is there anyone who actually thinks they were the best team in baseball, though? I don’t. Huge years from Werth and Ruiz helped them offset down production from their stars, but we obviously shouldn’t be counting on that again. I do believe they can win it all again, even if they never get Howard and Utley back at their previous levels. They’re going to need some luck, though.
I think the Polanco signing looks really bad at this point.
November 5th, 2010 on 10:43 am
Jim/Eric/et al. I am far from arguing that Rivero is an answer to anything, just pointing out that I don’t see both him and Bocock on the 40-man roster next year. No need to have redundant middle infielders who cannot hit sitting in the minor leagues, no matter how unhealthy/unproductive Rollins may be next year. I also think that Galvis needs to be added to the 40-man roster this year or else risk being lost to Rule 5, although he may have one more year, not sure.
November 5th, 2010 on 12:04 pm
I’m ready to see Galvis play defense, but it’s really hard for me to imagine that the .294 career slugging percentage in the minors is going to translate well to the major leagues offensively. I hope I’m wrong, but I think it’s a bad, bad sign for the Phils if any of Bocock, Rivero or Galvis wind up getting significant playing time. And, yeah, Galvis is young, but he’s not that young. He turns 21 later this month.
November 5th, 2010 on 2:27 pm
Sigh. I know you do not like Polly, but if the rest of the infield returns to some semblance of what they are supposed to be, I just cannot see Polly’s signing as that awful. I kind of like Polly. I like the lifetime 300 average. I like the tough two strike out. I like his ability with the bat moving folks along. And I really, really like the flexibility he gives us defensively in the infield between third aand second.
November 8th, 2010 on 7:11 pm
Free agency is wide open. Lee. Werth. Others. I wonder if we will be in the game. From all I hear, I guess not. Middle relief is all, really, that I hear us getting into. Not exactly inspiring, though necessary.
Doncha wish that we would be a player again? I sure do.
November 9th, 2010 on 10:47 am
It’d be nice to be a player, but what is out there that the Phillies really need other than Werth? They don’t really need Lee unless they trade Oswalt.
November 9th, 2010 on 10:50 am
I feel pretty sure that the Phillies aren’t going to give Werth seven years, $120 million. Let’s hope that’s not really what it takes. I do think Werth is a pretty fantastic fit. Let’s hope he wants to come back to Philadelphia. Really a lot.
November 9th, 2010 on 1:34 pm
I would like to see Werth back, but not at any price. If they are talking 7 years and $120 million for Jaysen, then someone will be overpaying for him. I do not want it to be us. (Is it mean of me to point out that a long time ago I thought we ought to trade him for serious prospects if he was unsignable? I still think I was right, but then, so what at this point.)
There is an interesting point of view by John Smallwood in the Daily News today that suggested that the $20 million a year Lee will likely get may well be overpaying for Lee too, given that Lee has averaged something like 12 wins a year in his career. I agree with Smalls that $20 million a year for 5 or 6 years needs to buy an incandescent talent; so far Lee has not been that, as good as he has been.
November 10th, 2010 on 9:40 am
I’d be surprised if Werth turns out to get $17 million for seven years. I don’t think it’s going to take that much for the Phillies to bring him back. He is an elite outfield in baseball, though, so it’s not going to be cheap.
I don’t think there’s any chance that the Phillies give Lee a five-year contract at any money. Like we’ve said before, I think it’s highly unlikely that Lee is added unless Oswalt gets moved.